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Old 07-04-2013, 01:54 AM #1
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Exclamation Suicide Prevention Thread and Advice

To every Marine, Solider, Airmen or Sailor on nation, If you ever need to talk or think life is to much please contact me, I will always answer. Suicide is not the answer, we are a breed of men that fight with no remorse, and yet we are not always able to win the fight in our hearts and minds after the shooting and chaos is over. I know how it goes, I still battle it today and its not easy but please reach out and ask for help. Ill be here.

IT IS OKAY TO ASK FOR HELP!!

I put this here because I am a suicide prevention officer and I train my Marines in my command the issues that surround suicide. I will continue to post more information as I can.

This thread is not the end all be all, there are many open resources as dictated and highly trained personnel that can and will help you.

Im just a grunt that knows what its like to have issues, need help and didnt know where to always go.


I again helped a Marine work through a issue until law enforcement could arrive and take over a possibly fatal incident. We as a military community have to be able to reach out and help one another in our times of need. Life and deployments are not easy, there are so many factors that lead into possibly believing that your life is not worth living and some how suicide is the answer.

Please do not clutter this thread with BS. I plan on posting information and key items that could help yourself or a person you know if they are possibly suicidal.


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Latest Military Suicide Data

A record number of suicides, 349 in 2012, is the shocker in the Times story. The Times reports that the Army had 182 suicides in 2012. The Army reported on Feb. 1 that it had 130 confirmed suicides in 2012 and 52 under investigation. The record exists only if all those deaths under investigation are counted as confirmed suicides. An analysis of the deaths in the active duty military from 2001 through 2010 shows that 1.6 percent, 23 deaths per year, remain listed with "undetermined" as a cause. If those cases were added to suicides, the total would increase by 11 percent on average. Use just confirmed data and 2012 would not be a record year for suicides in America's military.

This years current suicide rate is expected to surpass last years 349 deaths.
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RACE is an effective tool in helping you address and help a fellow service member in a critical time of need.





✔Know what to look for.
✔Know what events or circumstances increase the risk of suicide.
✔What other risk factors are there?
✔Warning signs are behaviors that indicate someone may be thinking about suicide.
✔When problems pile up, they can seem overwhelming.
✔What other warning signs are there?



✔If you see warning signs you need to confront a service member.
✔Start with simple questions.
✔Sometimes you have to ask tough questions, including, “Are you thinking of killing yourself?”
✔How many of you have asked the question?
✔How many of you thought you should have asked?
✔If a service member says “no,” you have to decide if you believe that answer.
✔Ask again if you have to.
✔If a service member answers “yes,” you have to take action.



✔In a crisis situation, actively listen.
✔What is active listening?
✔Make sure your buddy trusts you.
✔How can you show you care today?



✔There are many resources available.
✔Ask the service member who they want to talk to.
✔What resources could you suggest?
Chaplains, chain of command, and medical are good options.
✔For immediate help, you can call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline.
✔NEVER LEAVE A SERVICE MEMBER IN CRISIS ALONE


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All service members need to be resilient.

All service members have a responsibility to look out for each other and to take action when a fellow service member is in trouble.

To recognize warning signs, ask that fellow service member if they need help, care enough to take action, and escort Marines to the appropriate people who can help.

Being a friend is stressful. It’s OK to ask for help.

If you or a fellow service member needs help, go to your chain of command, your chaplain, or a medical professional.
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• Even one suicide is too many.

• The majority of our suicides are young, junior enlisted men and women.

• But everyone is at risk—male, female, junior and senior service members, service members who have deployed and those who haven’t.

• We need to learn to offer help without hesitation. More important, we need to make it OK to ask for help.

• If you think this is somebody else’s problem, you’re wrong.

This is every service members problem.

• Being a leader is also about looking out for those to your left and your right. Period.

• That’s not just a concept for combat, but a concept for life.

• We wouldn’t think twice about helping a service member who was wounded in battle, or a service member who wiped out on his bike. And we wouldn’t make a big deal if that service member asked for our help.

• A service member who is jacked up emotionally is no different. That’s still an injury, and it needs to be taken care of.

• Even the toughest service member get stressed out. We all go through hard times. But we need to know that it is OK to talk about our problems and to get help for them.


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You are taking on a mighty liability by offering this service in a public forum. While your intentions are honorable, I would strongly suggest any service member who feels they need help to go through normal channels. Talk to your Chaplain, Doc, Fleet and Family (or equiv) or any other DOD approved channel to get the help you need.
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I teach this subject to Marines and Sailors, not offering it to anyone who needs help is turning a blind eye to a issue is cowardice. Your statement is what the is wrong with the military in general. We are to worried about being liable rather than helping regardless of the situation or outcome.
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I teach this subject to Marines and Sailors, not offering it to anyone who needs help is turning a blind eye to a issue is cowardice. Your statement is what the is wrong with the military in general. We are to worried about being liable rather than helping regardless of the situation or outcome.
In my experience the people who commit suicide are the last people you would ever expect. But I do agree that too many people worry about covering their ***** instead of just doing what they cant to help so I commend you for that.

I have a guy in my squad who has tried to kill himself and trying to talk someone down from killing themselves is one of the hardest and most stressful things I have ever done.
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You are 100% correct its a rough road. Im hoping that information I post will help someone out.
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While I didn't need suicide prevention, militaryonesource is an awesome resource. Was stressed with parental issues, job issues, and military issues. Just needed a non-partial person who didn't know me or the situation and help sort stuff out. They gave me the help and followed up outside the chain of command. I cannot recommend them highly enough.
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Hope you get a sticky. I know the military pounds this into everyone's heads at least once a year with GMTs and everything, but it's still an important subject to know, and sadly many of us just "sign-n-Run" or skip through the training. So I still feel that the more this is around, the better.

Last year, I myself fell into a depression after having my long term GF cheat on my with my best friend, the death of a close friend, job stress, and money woes. I found it extremely hard to talk to anyone about it so hoped that someone would pick up on the signs I was putting out. It took the effort of one of my Seaman and my Chief under me to pull me aside and ask if everything was fine, and set me on course to recovery. My fresh-out-of-Boot camp sailor was brave enough to help me, not the fellow sailors I've served with for years, but the new kid.

So the more, the better.
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Hope you get a sticky. I know the military pounds this into everyone's heads at least once a year with GMTs and everything, but it's still an important subject to know, and sadly many of us just "sign-n-Run" or skip through the training. So I still feel that the more this is around, the better.

Last year, I myself fell into a depression after having my long term GF cheat on my with my best friend, the death of a close friend, job stress, and money woes. I found it extremely hard to talk to anyone about it so hoped that someone would pick up on the signs I was putting out. It took the effort of one of my Seaman and my Chief under me to pull me aside and ask if everything was fine, and set me on course to recovery. My fresh-out-of-Boot camp sailor was brave enough to help me, not the fellow sailors I've served with for years, but the new kid.

So the more, the better.
Its pretty crazy that the young man rather than a older senior member was the one to intervene and help you in a time of need. It only shows you that anyone can be there to help you. I deal with depression up and downs. Not sure what triggers them, they just come and go. My medications help me stay "balance" but there are times its days at a time I just can shake that depression feeling.

Military life in general is not normal and really doesn't equate to anything in the civilian sector. What the average person see's as stressful we see as nothing. Combat and war are not always the hard lining undertones of suicide and like you pointed out life, family, work, money, etc can all lead up to that moment of fail. Its great again that those two stepped up and helped you.
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Wtf does a public forum have to do with anything? It's not even FOUO information. Maybe someone doesn't want to go to their leadership and this provides a place to seek help. All the people that have seen combat, death, and heartache have zero problem with this being here. You're trash.
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Men and women go anywhere at times for help, its up to all of us in uniform to give that helping hand and leaning shoulder to give aid, comfort and and intervention. Just because this is a open forum means nothing to me. The information posted above is current to the point and could save someones life. Having your attitude is one of the key social issues in the ranks that makes those with suicidal issue want to come forward.

So please give helpful and open resources or perspectives to help out the ranks or please leave this forum.
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Guess that DoD training, in a DoD environment, really helped out when it mattered most. This has nothing to do with being hush hush. It provides another avenue to talk to someone that can provide assistance if they don't feel comfortable talking to someone in their COC. I had a friend down a whole bottle of pills in Germany and his wife contacted me of all people. Through my connections I had the MPs at his house to check and see if everything was alright in the matter of an hour. It's everyone's job and more people are comfortable about talking about **** here than they are elsewhere. We're a family here and most of us have met each other somewhere along the lines, regardless of service. The chances of someone that hangs out here talking to undr is more probable than them actually hitting up there COC. Why? because everyone is scared about ****ing up their careers. That's why they don't talk to anyone in their COC.
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And I run a fine division of sailors thank you rt159. My most junior sailor just recently came to me about money problems and the fact he was geting a hard time from another division. Yes I did put an end to that ****. My guys trust each other.


Also if you can't trust your own guys when you have problems, well that is just unsat
You don't understand that your situation is far from the norm throughout the rest of the military. My old 1SG was recently forced to retire when command found out he was signing his own profiles for the last 10 yrs. Know how many people he chaptered for not passing a PT test? A lot. That's the leadership you find in the Army and USMC. You think people are going to go to people like that with problems? **** no they won't. That's why Chris is doing what he's doing. Because although your situation is great for you, it isn't great for everyone else. At the risk of fall out, in this TINY PBN community, he stepped up to make a difference no matter what the outcome. Leaders that are willing to put their careers on the line for their guys is admirable and the **** you only read about in books. Whether or not you agree with it, you need to understand that's the risk he's willing to take in order to help. If it helps even one person, then he's accomplished what he set out to do.
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I'm all for a thread like this here. After coming back to the States from a rough *** deployment, my "leadership" was the last crop of morons I wanted to talk to about any of the **** I was going through. I think a lot of guys in need find it much easier to talk to a stranger over the internet than someone in their command or a head shrinker on base that just wants to medicate them anyway. If any of you guys are going through some serious **** and need anything, feel free to PM me. Except for the couple of douche bags in this thread talking ****, almost everyone on this board that's been through rough times in combat is willing to help.
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I'm all for a thread like this here. After coming back to the States from a rough *** deployment, my "leadership" was the last crop of morons I wanted to talk to about any of the **** I was going through. I think a lot of guys in need find it much easier to talk to a stranger over the internet than someone in their command or a head shrinker on base that just wants to medicate them anyway. If any of you guys are going through some serious **** and need anything, feel free to PM me. Except for the couple of douche bags in this thread talking ****, almost everyone on this board that's been through rough times in combat is willing to help.
Im first glad youre home safely. Secondly thanks for your support. Its great to see other veterans stepping up to be there for our brothers in arms.
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