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Old 06-01-2011, 06:05 PM #64
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In summary:

Currently, there is a $10,000 fine for the sale or transport of "imitation firearms" in the state of California. An "imitation firearm" is anything a reasonable person might perceive as a firearm, however, "BB devices" including paintball guns are currently excepted from this law.

The California Legislature is considering Senate Bill 798, which would remove the exception for "BB devices", including paintball guns. The result is that the sale or transfer of any paintball gun that is not entirely white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright blue, bright pink or bright purple could result in a $10,000 fine.

Preventing this bill from passing is important to all paintball players.

Because the entire surface of the device - potentially including your barrel, tank and hopper on an assembled gun - must be brightly colored, virtually no current paintball gun would be legal if this bill were passed.

State legislators also often copy bills passed by other states. If this bill is passed in California, it makes it much more likely that legislators in other states will attempt to pass similar legislation.


What can you do?

Most importantly, when communicating about this issue, be respectful of those you are speaking with, especially state legislators. Legislators want to hear your opinion, but you will have a much greater impact when communicating in a respectful manner.

SB 798 is currently in front of the California Assembly Committee on Public Safety. There are 7 Assembly Members on this committee, and their contact information is below. We want to make sure these assembly members are informed about why it is not necessary to include paintball guns in this law, why paintball is an important activity for you, and how this bill negatively impacts your ability to play paintball.


A form letter you can use to contact legislators should be available very soon. If you write your own letter, state that you are opposed to Senate Bill 798 because it would affect paintball guns, explain how the bill would negatively impact you, be sure to note that you are over 18 or have your parent or guardian sign in support of your letter if you are under 18, and if you live in California, make sure you include where in California you live.

Make sure to be overwhelmingly polite. Being rude in any way could very well hurt all of paintball.

Bill Author:

Senator Kevin De Leon
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Room 5108
Sacramento, CA 95814
(916) 651-4022
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Email: senator.deleon@sen.ca.gov


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Assemblymember Curt Hagman
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Assembly Member Jerry Hill
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Old 06-01-2011, 06:06 PM #65
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Votes

All Republicans voted against it.
All Democrats except 1 voted for or abstained.
Looks like the usual pattern.
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Ayes - 21
Alquist-D
Calderon-D
Corbett-D
De León-D
DeSaulnier-D
Evans-D
Hancock-D
Hernandez-D
Kehoe-D
Leno-D
Lieu-D
Liu-D
Lowenthal-D
Padilla-D
Pavley-D
Price-D
Simitian-D
Steinberg-D
Vargas-D
Wolk-D
Yee-D

Noes - 16
Anderson - R
Berryhill - R
Blakeslee - R
Cannella - R
Correa - D
Dutton - R
Emmerson - R
Fuller - R
Gaines - R
Harman - R
Huff - R
La Malfa - R
Runner - R
Strickland - R
Walters - R
Wyland - R

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Negrete McLeod - D
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soo the bill states that any imitation firearm or bb device that could be mistaken for a real one must be brightly colored or clear soo that you can see its internal workings? that basically means no more black, silver or grey paintball guns? tournament guys shouldbt be too upset by this but the milsim crowd will deffinatley take a hit.... swear u guys should just go play airsoft though
No, it can only be bright colors. My blue sniper might not be OK. Here's the link to the bill:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/...d_sen_v97.html

"A device where the entire exterior surface of the
device is white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright
green, bright blue, bright pink, or bright purple, either singly or
as the predominant color in combination with other colors in any
pattern, as provided by federal regulations governing imitation
firearms, or where the entire device is constructed of transparent or
translucent materials which permits unmistakable observation of the
device's complete contents, as provided by federal regulations
governing imitation firearms. "

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Old 06-01-2011, 06:47 PM #67
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The 6mm projectile definition would seem to exempt airsoft then, an activity that uses far more realistic looking equipment than likely the majority of paintball markers, correct? That makes very little sense.
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Old 06-01-2011, 07:03 PM #68
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The 6mm projectile definition would seem to exempt airsoft then, an activity that uses far more realistic looking equipment than likely the majority of paintball markers, correct? That makes very little sense.
That's part of the problem. The BB device exception also exempts airsoft guns. Realistic airsoft/bb guns are the problem that brought legislative attention - there was even an incident in California recently where a kid with a realistic-looking BB pistol was mistakenly shot by a police officer - and kids are playing with these realistic BB guns out in public areas. Unfortunately, the language that excepts paintball guns from the imitation firearm law is tied to the BB Device definition that also excepts air guns, so if the legislature just eliminates the BB Device exception in an attempt to address the realistic-looking BB guns kids are using in their neighborhoods, they also end up eliminating the paintball gun exception, even though paintball guns are entirely different.

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Ah, so the purpose of THIS legislation is to amend the loophole presented by the previous 6mm projectile definition. Which [obviously] is what makes it such a danger to the industry as opposed to the former transportation ban which could be easily avoided by simply keeping one's gear out of site and using it in an approved manner.
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Goodness why are they passing this law? That kid got what he deserved, and his parents should get a pimp slap and a bad performance review not the whole oh such a cruel cruel world.
It's a Darwin Award people and he won it.
Lets cover this one slow for the people that thought a GED was an accomplishment: Police Officers can tell you what to do, and no they don't know who you are and they don't care.
So if a trained officer of the law has a gun pointed at you, you shouldn't start swearing at him because that's what they do in the movies. You say, "Yes sir, No sir, Thank you Sir"

All that this should have required was someone shaking their head and saying, "that's a damn shame" while zipping up the black bag.

And all you people that think it doesn't matter to me I have a pink gun. Well lots of stuff gets imported from Asian countries into California, and eve if your marker is going to be sold in Mass if it had to travel through the state it has to comply..... and that aside. Seriously? What are you all protestants in Nazi Poland? Oh I'm not a Gypsy or Jew so I'm all good. Your lazy bums, call the reps that's what those 500 anytime minutes are for. And when you get the worthless intern ask politely if there is a better time to call to reach the Rep and when that doesn't work just have 2-3 talking points and ask them to write them down and show them to the Rep when they have time. Then finish the call with a "Thank you for all the hard work you do, it is a very important thing you do connecting an elected official to the people" Yes I think that is a giant steaming pile but most of those people manning phone aren't appreciated at all so that little comment it the difference between the trash can and the center of the refrigerator.
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In summary:

Currently, there is a $10,000 fine for the sale or transport of "imitation firearms" in the state of California. An "imitation firearm" is anything a reasonable person might perceive as a firearm, however, "BB devices" including paintball guns are currently excepted from this law.

The California Legislature is considering Senate Bill 798, which would remove the exception for "BB devices", including paintball guns. The result is that the sale or transfer of any paintball gun that is not entirely white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright blue, bright pink or bright purple could result in a $10,000 fine.

Preventing this bill from passing is important to all paintball players.

Because the entire surface of the device - potentially including your barrel, tank and hopper on an assembled gun - must be brightly colored, virtually no current paintball gun would be legal if this bill were passed.

State legislators also often copy bills passed by other states. If this bill is passed in California, it makes it much more likely that legislators in other states will attempt to pass similar legislation.


What can you do?

Most importantly, when communicating about this issue, be respectful of those you are speaking with, especially state legislators. Legislators want to hear your opinion, but you will have a much greater impact when communicating in a respectful manner.

SB 798 is currently in front of the California Assembly Committee on Public Safety. There are 7 Assembly Members on this committee, and their contact information is below. We want to make sure these assembly members are informed about why it is not necessary to include paintball guns in this law, why paintball is an important activity for you, and how this bill negatively impacts your ability to play paintball.


A form letter you can use to contact legislators should be available very soon. If you write your own letter, state that you are opposed to Senate Bill 798 because it would affect paintball guns, explain how the bill would negatively impact you, be sure to note that you are over 18 or have your parent or guardian sign in support of your letter if you are under 18, and if you live in California, make sure you include where in California you live.

Make sure to be overwhelmingly polite. Being rude in any way could very well hurt all of paintball.

Bill Author:

Senator Kevin De Leon
State Capitol
Room 5108
Sacramento, CA 95814
(916) 651-4022
Fax (916) 327-8817
Email: senator.deleon@sen.ca.gov


California Assembly Committee on Public Safety:

Assemblymember Tom Ammiano, Chair
State Capitol
P.O. Box 942849
Sacramento, CA 94249-0013
Tel: (916) 319-2013
Fax: (916) 319-2113
Email: http://asmdc.org/members/a13/ (click Contact Tom)

Assemblymember Steve Knight, Vice-Chair
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(F) (916) 319-2136
Email: http://arc.asm.ca.gov/member/36/?p=email

Assemblymember Gil Cedillo
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Tel: (916) 319-2045
Fax: (916) 319-2145
http://asmdc.org/members/a45/ (click Contact Gil)

Assemblymember Curt Hagman
State Capitol
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916-319-2060
916-319-2160 fax
Email: http://arc.asm.ca.gov/member/60/?p=email

Assembly Member Jerry Hill
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P.O. Box 942849
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Tel: (916) 319-2019
Fax: (916) 319-2119
Email: http://asmdc.org/members/a19/ (Click Contact Jerry)

Assemblymember Holly Mitchell
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Fax: (916) 319-2147
Email: http://asmdc.org/members/a47/ (Click Contact Holly)

Assemblymember Nancy Skinner
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Just a FYI from someone who works in the business.

Legislators honestly do not care for people outside of the state, let alone outside of their district contacting them on issues. If you want to make the most out of contacting the legislators, be sure to contact the legislator(s) that represent YOU. I.E. The ones that you directly VOTE for.

Speaking from experience, when people contact my office that reside outside of the district, all the people who answer the phones do, is tell them to contact their correct legislator that represents them.

tl/dr

Don't waste your time if you are out of state, and be sure to contact the legislator that you DIRECTLY ELECT if you live in California. Be polite, and know what the bill number is that you are calling to voice your opinion against.
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There was a petition online for people in California to sign. We need everyone support to get this bill stopped. My local shop has both paintball and airsoft, but their airsoft market is what keeps them alive in these tougher times. If this bill passes, then my shop, and many others like them, may go under.

Also, why would having brightly colored "imitation" guns stop criminals from simply painting their real guns a bright color? If an officer has to respond to a scene and someone has a bright orange gun, the officer now has to stop and think "is that orange gun a BB gun or real gun?" And guess what. That split second hesitation will likely cost an officer his life.
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"Immitation firearms" should only mean those milsim and other markers that are designed to look like the real thing... even then, orange the barrel tip.

Making the world a safer place by painting less harmful things vibrant colours? Why dont you change actual firearms laws? This whole thing is a stupid ****ing joke.
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"Immitation firearms" should only mean those milsim and other markers that are designed to look like the real thing... even then, orange the barrel tip.

Making the world a safer place by painting less harmful things vibrant colours? Why dont you change actual firearms laws? This whole thing is a stupid ****ing joke.
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i see no need point for paintball guns to look like real guns and this why. and i play in the woods and my dust blue karni. doesnt stick out. on top of that i have these things called eyes i see people moving in the woods before i see their marker.
Awesome. But your personal preference is not my personal preference. I choose to use an X7 that looks like an M4. But I am responsible with it. This law would take that choice away from me and as a freedom loving American I have a problem when people try to take away my freedom of choice. And as for not seeing a reason for milsim, that's an opinion. We are not debating opinions here, rather we are trying to generate support for opposing this bill. Think its ok? Then don't sign the petition. It's that simple. The markers are not the problem. People being irresponsible with them is.
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so basicly it says anything that Looks like a Real firearm Cant be Black...

it wont effect Normal paintball markers
To thi effect, you think every tippmann or BT marker isn't a paintball marker? GOT NEWS FOR YA BUD, there are more of those, than our tournament markers.... period...
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This is an ACTUAL rifle that shoots bullets. This right here discredits the law. People duracoat their real firearm all different colors. We can paint a real firearm a bright color and then it will automatically be thought of as a toy under these laws. stupid is stupid
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"Immitation firearms" should only mean those milsim and other markers that are designed to look like the real thing... even then, orange the barrel tip.

Making the world a safer place by painting less harmful things vibrant colours? Why dont you change actual firearms laws? This whole thing is a stupid <del>****</del>ing joke.
I am not sure they intend to "make the world a safer place" by introducing this bill. The bill is not designed to prevent people from being injured by "imitation firearms", but rather to prevent incidences of law enforcement officers confusing "imitation firearms" with real firearms.

Personally, I think the bill is stupid, but I also think trying to connect the dots between the introduction of more restrictive California gun laws (hah!) and a reduction in crime or injuries involving firearms is too.

Regardless, it's sort of hypocritical to suggest that there needs to be more restrictive firearms laws in order to protect your hobby. This bill's intent, to restrict your ability to own and use "imitation firearms", is really no different than restricting someone else's ability to own and use real firearms since by the letter of the law, the definition of firearms does not have much distinction between the two.
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This is just a result of people not really thinking when they vote. This time it really hit home for some of you.
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"Immitation firearms" should only mean those milsim and other markers that are designed to look like the real thing... even then, orange the barrel tip.

Making the world a safer place by painting less harmful things vibrant colours? Why dont you change actual firearms laws? This whole thing is a stupid ****ing joke.
You're a Canuck. Its not like your gun laws are much better. Nope, I almost forgot, they're actually worse.
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Dear lord, reading a little more about this makes me laugh my *** off. Everyone who listened to Green Day or U2 on how to vote is gonna get boned if they can't fix their mistakes.
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Somebody mustve tried to robb a store with a LOOK A LIKE AK47 paintballrifle or something.. dam bas****s
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You're a Canuck. Its not like your gun laws are much better. Nope, I almost forgot, they're actually worse.
Yeah, becuase the gun laws here in the US work...You have any idea how many murders, let alone gun murders happen in Canada compared to the US? Far, far less...
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