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Old 01-19-2011, 11:53 PM #316
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You can easily upgrade RAM, which is what most of these programs need to run smoothly. It will be fine though. You can always upgrade to 4gb for like $100 after you get it.
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:42 AM #317
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I honestly never turn the IS off on it so I have no clue, LOL. I had a Canon 75-300mm a while back without IS and I remember having issues with that so I'm thinking IS would probably be best. Just sucks that its damn near twice as much



So get the 70-200 f4L or hold off on that and get the 400mm f5.6L now and get the 70-200 later?
well all L lenses hold their resale value quite well, so another possibility is, just get the non-IS. If you like it keep it, if you need IS, sell it and get IS. Might be more of a pain that way, so up to you. or look into the sigma 70-200mm, i've heard good things about that, but haven't really looked up too much on it.

if i was debating between those two, i'd get the 70-200, but that's because i don't find myself even needing 200mm most of the time, let alone 400mm. so it just comes down to what you need for your shooting.


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Im looking to get a Dell GX280, 3GHZ and 2GB of RAM. Would this beable to run multiple (possibly hundreds) of images in lightroom and photoshop smoothly.I know almost nothing about computers haha
you should be fine with 2gb, but then again, it's hard for me to say, cause i've been running 8gb forever now haha. but a 3ghz processor is way more then you'll need. so you shouldn't run into any problems, if it's slow, just upgrade to 4gb of ram.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:57 PM #318
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well all L lenses hold their resale value quite well, so another possibility is, just get the non-IS. If you like it keep it, if you need IS, sell it and get IS. Might be more of a pain that way, so up to you.
Might not be a bad idea that way. Found a used non-is locally for $500 so I might go that route. I think Im going to rent the 400mm before I decide to buy just to be sure I like it before dropping $1200. I tend to use the long end of my zoom more then I do the wide
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Old 01-20-2011, 01:46 PM #319
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Might not be a bad idea that way. Found a used non-is locally for $500 so I might go that route. I think Im going to rent the 400mm before I decide to buy just to be sure I like it before dropping $1200. I tend to use the long end of my zoom more then I do the wide
I would just pick up a used 70-200 2.8 non is for 900
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I would just pick up a used 70-200 2.8 non is for 900
Meh, I can get a used 70-200 f4 IS for about $950 locally. I think I'd rather have the f4 IS over the 2.8 non-IS if for nothing else the weight savings alone. Like I said I don't see myself using the extra stop. I don't shoot a lot of low light stuff but Id rather have IS then the extra stop just for hand holding

Would I see any image quality improvement with the f2.8 over the f4?
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:11 PM #321
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the F4L is a good balance of weight and quality/reliabiltiy. I bring mine with me no matter where i go where if i had the 2.8 i might leave it behind. I say go for the f4l IS, and lenses like these retain there value well so you wouldnt be taking much, if any, of a loss if you ever wanted to upgrade to the 2.8
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:39 PM #322
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the F4L is a good balance of weight and quality/reliabiltiy. I bring mine with me no matter where i go where if i had the 2.8 i might leave it behind. I say go for the f4l IS, and lenses like these retain there value well so you wouldnt be taking much, if any, of a loss if you ever wanted to upgrade to the 2.8
Awesome, thanks man. I think I'll go with the used f4L IS and maybe grab the used Sigma 120-400 f/4.5-5.6 to play around with till I decide if I really need the Canon 400mm f5.6L
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wait, what is the lens for mostly? IS only fits in 1 category for me and that would low light photography with almost still subjects and is only effect for that on a 70-200 lens from 1/60-1/250 ish. That's what 2 real stops of light? Anything below 1/60 and movement will leave the subject blurred. If you are doing sports IS is not needed. If your subjects are static then a tripod is a lot cheaper than IS.

Also for low light indoor photography where IS would be necessary off camera flash or bounced flash will work better. I'd rather spend the money on lighting and modifiers than on IS. Just sayin.


I've done a lot of photography and guess how many times I've thought, "Man, I would really like IS here?" Answer: 0. That's why I have lighting.
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:02 PM #324
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If you are doing sports IS is not needed. If your subjects are static then a tripod is a lot cheaper than IS.
Agree, but IS DOES makes sense on lenses with a focal length equal to or longer than 300mm
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:03 PM #325
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One time I was shooting kid cudi, and i was trying to take a picture of a couple that was lit by their cell phone, and I really wished I had IS..


And then i remembered I had a 1d4 and a 70-200 2.8 ISII...
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:05 PM #326
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wait, what is the lens for mostly?
Landscape/nature is what I mainly like to shoot but I like trying to shoot anything (sports, people, macro, ect)

I had a non-IS 75-300 before and really wished it had IS (of course I also just started shooting, sucked at holding the camera, and didnt have a tripod...LOL) I do however still do a lot of shooting off the tripod
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:13 PM #327
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Agree, but IS DOES makes sense on lenses with a focal length equal to or longer than 300mm
yah, good note. Once you increase the focal length the ability to use IS goes up tremendously with hand holding or even on a monopod due to having to have ABOVE freezing subject shutterspeed below the focal length.

handhold a 300mm + no shake + 1.6 sensor = SS of 480+ to eliminate shake.

So, the effectiveness of IS would be 4 stops below a shutterspeed of 1/500...so you get 1/500, 1/250, 1/125, 1/60....ALL able to freeze some sort of movement.

200mm focal length, + no shake + 1.6 sensor = SS 1/320th. So you get say 1/250, 1/125, and 1/60. Three stops of light for $400ish. Buy some strobes

I just thought I'd do some math.

And to what Striker said...it really depends on what you shoot. I've never needed IS, or if I had I've creatively had the ability to create my own light. Also, was that shot worth $400? lol

I mean, get IS if you want it. I've had it before and I just find that I don't need it but maybe 1% of the time. When I do a low-lit ceremony where no flash photography is not allowed then I'll say, "man, I need IS". Hasn't happened yet.

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yah, good note. Once you increase the focal length the ability to use IS goes up tremendously with hand holding or even on a monopod due to having to have ABOVE freezing subject shutterspeed below the focal length.

handhold a 300mm + no shake + 1.6 sensor = SS of 480+ to eliminate shake.

So, the effectiveness of IS would be 4 stops below a shutterspeed of 1/500...so you get 1/500, 1/250, 1/125, 1/60....ALL able to freeze some sort of movement.

200mm focal length, + no shake + 1.6 sensor = SS 1/320th. So you get say 1/250, 1/125, and 1/60. Three stops of light for $400ish. Buy some strobes

I just thought I'd do some math.
I think you just broke my brain!

EDIT: ok re-read it and I think I get it. Still, even at 200mm I think I'd feel more comfortable with IS...but saving that $450 would be nice. Maybe I'll just tell myself its worth it for the weather sealing too (LOL, cause I know that means jack with my nonsealed body)

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LOL, it's just about light...that's what you are photographing so you should know how the camera reads light and how it relates to movement.

1/250 freezes most of the runner (legs, arms move faster so there's some blur). a stop above that is 1/500...that freezes most everything (except birds and fast moving animals).

IS introduces 4 stops of hand movement being taken out of the equation. So if you are M.J. Fox IS won't really help you. But if you are pretty solid then you can shoot your 200mm lens from 1/125 down to say 1/30 without introducing camera shake to screw up the scene. However, if people are moving in the scene they will blur regardless of the IS from say 1/15-1/60 or so if they are moving. If they pose and don't move then you'll be fine. But if they are setting up to pose then setting up a tripod is cheaper than having IS on your lens.

Also, indoors when you can use a $250 speedlight on top of your camera you can set that bad boy to meter your subject in ettl mode, you can set your camera to pick up the ambient via manual settings, and bam...you freeze the subject with the flash and the camera settings let in the ambient without blur if you are steady enough from 1/10-1/60th or so. That's why I don't use IS...I control what I want the camera to do.

That's unless, of course, I can't use lighting...then I would want IS from like 150mm-xxx MM.

Oh, I just thought of a reason I would want IS. Macro bug/animal work. DOF is so razor thin that you have the aperture up to 8-11 which kills SS. But I'd still shoot with a modifier and a strobe.
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LOL, Im pretty set on not getting the 2.8....The weight of it kind of kills it for me more then anything.

I guess my thoughts on IS is that I'd rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it

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lol the weight? its not that heavy
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I have a nikon 80-200 af-d and it doesnt even bother me. The 70-200 2.8 is much lighter.

its only 19 oz difference
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19oz and twice the price. Plus when you backpack 19oz is a big deal. Thats over a days worth of food! (weight wise, not price )
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My setup seems plenty comfortable.


ALso im not talking about the 70-200 2.8 is
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Kata r103
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macbook
macbook charger
d7000 charger

My setup seems plenty comfortable.


ALso im not talking about the 70-200 2.8 is
Oh ok. But Im not talking backcountry backpacking. Macbook, charger, and all of that usually isn't needed in the backcountry

I usually just bring the body, 1-2 lenses, filters, extar battery, and a tripod if I know I'll defiantly need it but it more often then not that has to stay at home
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