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Old 05-31-2011, 04:50 PM #1
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Thread of the Week: Underachieving Teams

This one’s a little mean, so I request that people remain respectful and factual. Mud-slinging and name calling will just get the thread locked and the offenders reported.

The Best Teams that Never Were
I’m looking for the best teams that never did much of anything as a team, despite great talent.

So, for instance, the Adrenaline Junkies could be argued to be the best team that never was. Of course, they never were because a bunch got picked up by NEH when they were still a relatively new team. But still, as a team, they never did much. Although, to be fair, they did actually play for a few seasons. The same cant be said for 2011’s NEX (with their record of 49 PbNation posts, 1 practice and 0 events). Was HAF active? I don’t remember seeing them all that often at NEXL/NEPL events, but maybe I just didn’t notice and maybe they played elsewhere. How about Warzone Factory? (love the name, btw). They had some really talented players, but I don’t remember them having a run-of-excellence.

So, that’s what this is about. Teams that wasted talent either by not playing or not putting it together.

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Old 05-31-2011, 05:22 PM #2
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Warzone was a mostly local team, terrorizing the Hogan's Alley series and playing a couple NEPLs back in the day. Warzone was a great team with uneven results outside of the local scene.

HAF played GPL for a season and then AXBL when they were re-formed after disbanding in 08.
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Old 05-31-2011, 05:46 PM #3
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Old 05-31-2011, 06:09 PM #4
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If your looking at it from a national stand point I would say synergy and armada. They still play so they have not "wasted" their talents but they dont play nationally and I feel that they could do very well in the nppl. Again I dont think they really fall under what jeffs topic.

Warzone was a good group of kids, just a bunch of friends that enjoyed the game. I dont know why they broke up I think it had something to do with tom arboe graduating highschool and going into the military along with mikey trying out for the canes. They dominated the nepl 5man and bumped up to 7man and did well there also.
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Old 05-31-2011, 06:19 PM #5
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Maybe the definition we should be going for is "the team that most underachieved their potential".

So, if Armada could be winning NPPL D1 events, maybe that would be them. I wasn't thinking of them because they are a very active team playing all the NEPLs and doing well there. But if they could be a top national team and are not, whether because of finances or disinterest in nationals or whatever, then maybe that's the answer (and it could be Armada or Bloodline or HAF or...).

It completely ignores the question of why you play where you play, the politics around supporting one league or another and it assumes a ranking of leagues.
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Old 05-31-2011, 07:41 PM #6
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not enough money for these teams to play nationally
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Old 05-31-2011, 08:58 PM #7
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the 2010 hurricanes had some real good players, dominated the local scene. Then went national and performed poorly, then again it was there first year together wasnt much expected of them. perhaps 2011 will be better.

identity, large organization/cult has a big hype about them in magazines have tons of sponsorships, yet has not shown anything. what do they have 3 wins total this year between xball and 7 man games.

bloodline, has the players and the financial backing (if they truely are bostons sponsored team idk) yet hasnt done anything out of the nexl..so in my eye havent proven much.

unleashed, a team with a hand full of talented kids, yet got cherry picked by larger and more structured teams.

riptide and riptide kids, back when nepl was down the cape they where really good for a couple of years then just disipeared off of the map..i dont even kno where they went?

punx, coached by the big man himself dave adams, didnt last long wtf happened there? team has potential in a way.

and i agree with jeff we are all friends : )
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Old 05-31-2011, 10:06 PM #8
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Adrenalin Junkies still won a few events in their day, and they did well at cup on their own as the Wild Geese.

It's kind of a tough question to answer, thinking back there weren't any teams that you could say, damn if they stuck together they could have really done something. I think the Junkies are pretty much the only ones you could say that with. HAF in their prime had a line of Canes so you can't really count them. Maybe Underground if they had stuck together? Even that team had some Junkies on it.

FU2N, I'll admit we didn't do as well as we hoped last season but I don't think we did poorly. Chicago sucked but we took 3rd at MAO and were competitive at cup. Not bad for year 1.
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Old 05-31-2011, 10:16 PM #9
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haf started in xball in 03, went to d1 psp in 04 and won cup and 1 other event and was off 2 points for the season title, 05 saw billy, nicky, mirles, the consiglios and a few others leave to nyx/hurricanes. 06 reformed and played nppl...won the d2 series 07 played nppl donno how they did, 08 reformed again competed in gpl and placed 2...or 3rd cant remember for the season, 09 went to axbl and won the eastern conference and went to nax with 6 players and obviously couldnt really compete. 2010 saw the end of the team and it doesnt seem like haf will ever be put together again since the funding that allowed us to compete how we did is no longer there.
we never went to nepls because to be honest the prizes and such werent worth it, and there seems to be a solid hate for ct teams there.

as far as underachieving teams in the area, id say identity is at the top of the list. i also think TNN could be classified as one. they have some really good players, but i feel their team has never really moved forward. i guess they had a decent season last year and this year is too early to tell but as to their history, they have always been about the same skill level.
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Old 05-31-2011, 11:45 PM #10
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tnn played the nypl last year and did really well
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Old 05-31-2011, 11:46 PM #11
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and both nationals they played last year they made it passed the prelims with taking 5th at an event
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tnn played the nypl last year and did really well
false, tnn kids played the nypl last year and did well taking second.
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Old 06-01-2011, 01:33 AM #13
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as far as underachieving teams in the area, id say identity is at the top of the list. i also think TNN could be classified as one. they have some really good players, but i feel their team has never really moved forward. i guess they had a decent season last year and this year is too early to tell but as to their history, they have always been about the same skill level.
tnn had a few nepl wins in the late 90s, as well as good placement in some 10 man events in the early 00's. they may not have moved up the ranks, because they went through multiple roster rebuilds throughout the years and from the transitition from 10 man to xball.

the team now is extremely competitive, works hard, and has done well so far in 2011. these guys are going to place at an event this year, i guarentee it. they have had the same roster for a while now, same core group of guys and they are going to do well in the next few seasons.
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bloodline, has the players and the financial backing (if they truely are bostons sponsored team idk) yet hasnt done anything out of the nexl..so in my eye havent proven much.
We have no financial backing, and much of the team hasn't been able to afford PSP events. Thus, we haven't been able to prove ourselves to you. Wanna sponsor us so we can?
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I think neaa could be added to this. There playing foxball right now? They played nypl foxball and cup last year. From what i know they did well in nypl did good in foxball and mediocre in cup? I'm not sure what division there playing now but I think they could be one of the top d3 teams with there new roster.
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.....and there seems to be a solid hate for ct teams there.
LMFAO thats just BS. I think there was more people cheering for No Name than Bloodline at E1.

What about Crisis. At one point in time nearly all the Ducks (a very short time lol) were playing on there aswell as some others like nearly all of the current Bloodline with other real good players like Seann V. and Richie B. Had the roster and the cash backing just didn't have the Management to run it.
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same organization is what i meant
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xfire ,splatzesg. Xfire did somthing crazy in 09 only losing one game in 7man to shipyard I think. Splatz esg07, a team out of Maine with not much support and or good teams to practice and still won the series in 07.

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I agree and disagree with FU2N and Zach! and a couple others.

Identity Sponsorship is no less or more than any other team that researches companies and receives prices based on quantity. Granted, markers were obtained for $$%##!!!! due to a very good sales pitch. A one time deal! A company that needed to market their markers in the USA. Identity was in the right place at the right time through hard work and research.

Disagree - All other sponsorship is absolutely no different than what you could acquire through any other company willing to work with a team quantity pricing.

Disagree - Cult- Definitely not - A few reasons why Identity maintains the players they have. 1) The animosity of players from team to team. Some on Identity remain there because they don't feel they fit in with other area teams. 2) The Word Sponsorship! So misunderstood by so many they feel they've accomplished something before stepping onto the field.

Agree - Performance - Not performing well due to more effort placed on sponsorship and magazine articles than actual management and development of less experienced players.

Agree/Disagree - Hate for CT Players - Until a very few years ago CT Players didn't stand a chance in Mass paintball. Unless you were some super player it was a cold shoulder. Although! I think that more would have moved that way if "They the Player" put more enthusiasm and hard work in to break the barriers. But on the other hand CT Teams were a seclusive club and the only way on was to grind it out for how ever long it took until you were accepted or start your own team.

Unfortunately most paintball players require immediate gratification which is extremely rare in Paintball. Thus the constant jump from team to team. Those that grind it out usually find some level of success.

Paintball, especially New England has come a long way. Especially for out of state talent willing to put in the work.

The CT Players (who I closely associate with) who remained in Mass on teams after last years mass exodus are progressing very well after jumping on another team. That because the Captains/Managers of these teams have placed their priority on player development not on sponsorship. Also these players have put priorities in place by not putting sponsorship on top. The development and performance of these players will lead to more out of state players moving towards the Mass arena for Paintball.
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I haven't personally experienced unfair animosity for being a CT team, although a lot of CT teams use that excuse to explain away a "bad call".

My pick is definitely Warzone. They had some amazing players and great team chemistry, fell apart before they could reach their full potential.
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1) The animosity of players from team to team. Some on Identity remain there because they don't feel they fit in with other area teams.
The phrase "guilty by association" comes to mind.

I think a lot of people like to beat Identity because of Archy. Im not talking **** here just saying. Archy talks a lot about the glory days and how he was pro. If Ive been told accuratly he did win a World Cup with GZ back in the day perhaps Jeff could confirm...**** thats a lot more than most (if not all) of us can claim. However I think people use that as modivation to play Identity harder.

Idk beating the guy who talks a big game is always more rewarding.
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