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Old 04-26-2011, 07:51 PM #1
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MWXL Number of D3 players on a D4 roster?

MWXL Number of D3 players on a D4 roster?

I know last years rules said two, but this year we are suppose to be sticking to PSP rules since this is a PSP feeder league. PSP rules state only one D3 player on a D4 event roster. IF its a PSP feeder league and we are building teams to make it to World Cup, why allow an illegal line to get the team there?

We will play with whatever decision is made, these are just some of the last minute questions my two teams have, and I said I will try to find out an answer for them.
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Old 04-26-2011, 08:01 PM #2
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Rules say 2 d3 players. Would kind of screw up a lot of rosters 3 days before the event. We were planning on getting registered in the next couple days and changing the roster last minute would be pretty tricky.
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Old 04-26-2011, 08:13 PM #3
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Yea, but I keep getting told we are using PSP rules everytime I ask a question about paint fill colors and other items I have asked about.

Why would an event, that has a grand prize of "PAID ENTRY" to the PSP World Cup, allow teams to use illegal lines to get themselves there, and then that specific team not be allowed to play the event without modifying its original line.

To me that just doesn't seem right. Load your team with D4s and your one D3, if your good enough, its not gonna matter much against us beginners, or D5 players.

According to Nick on this matter we are using PSP rules. I take it as that then. One D3 player per roster.
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Old 04-26-2011, 08:22 PM #4
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The rules for the event state 2 d3 players and have since the event was announced. We planned accordingly.
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But, the rules were changed, and announcement was made that they will be using PSP rules. Even when you go to the MWXL rule book it pulls up the PSP rules. I understand it is last minute, and this prolly should have been addressed along time ago. Such as the rule for coaching. We did not do coaching last year, but we are following PSP this year and coaching snake side. You were allowed 2 D3 players last year, but using PSP rules so only one per roster allowed.

I have said. We will play no matter what. I just feel that if we are using PSP rules, then that is what we are doing. Not picking and choosing what rules because some teams need to have 2 - D3s rostered to make a line.

The rules should not change to fit a team, a team should change to fit the rules...

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Old 04-26-2011, 08:57 PM #6
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Our team changed to fit the rules that were posted on the website, like I said before.

Even if the rule is changed at some point, that point shouldn't be the week before the event.

If you'll play no matter what, why are you so adamant about getting the rule changed?
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Chris, the kid has a point. Rules are rules, might as well abide by them. I'm not sure if the rule JUST came into play very recently or what but if it was a rule long ago that was just over looked, then obviously we need to follow it.
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With coaching allowed, the series winner (and also a representative of the MWXL) would be better prepared for World Cup.
Its not representative of MWXL to win series with two D-3 players.
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Its not representative of MWXL to win series with two D-3 players.
That was referring to a rule that was open for debate, not a rule posted on the event's website.

http://mwxball.com/prize/indexD4.htm

This was the page posted when the series was announced, this was the page I used when I got a team together for the event.

If so many people had an issue with this, why did you all wait until days before the event to complain? Why try to avoid having another paying team? Obviously we can't play with 4 people.
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Anybody need an extra player?
This was in Plex thread, here you go.
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That was referring to a rule that was open for debate, not a rule posted on the event's website.

http://mwxball.com/prize/indexD4.htm

This was the page posted when the series was announced, this was the page I used when I got a team together for the event.

If so many people had an issue with this, why did you all wait until days before the event to complain? Why try to avoid having another paying team? Obviously we can't play with 4 people.
Ok Barber, i just pulled up that link and your right. The rule on the MWXL website does state that you can have 2 D-3 players. I looked at the link on the MWXL thread to the PSP rules, this is a confusing situation. This needs to be explained by the person in charge of the series, it would not be fair to make you guys change your line. But this needs to get straightened out.
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guys it should be a no brainer. I mean ive seen you barber post stuff about how this is a feeder league into psp so why dont they follow the psp rules. I dont really care either way if you have 1 or 2 d3 players but according to the psp rules only 1 d3 person is allowed. Its really not a big deal either way in my opinion.

Also rules are rules, everyone should follow them. If the NFL comes up with a new rule in the middle of the season (especially when they had the problems with the too aggressive hits on players) Then it is instated less than a week before their next game. My point is that it doesnt matter when a rule is instated it should be followed.
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:44 AM #14
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PSP rules allow 2 D3 players on a D4 roster.
Huh?

This is taken from the PSP rule book.

2.2.1.1. Any number of Division 4 or lower players and up to one Division 3 player may
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That was referring to a rule that was open for debate, not a rule posted on the event's website.

http://mwxball.com/prize/indexD4.htm

This was the page posted when the series was announced, this was the page I used when I got a team together for the event.

If so many people had an issue with this, why did you all wait until days before the event to complain? Why try to avoid having another paying team? Obviously we can't play with 4 people.

I also didn't bring this up to complain about it. I actually first read about it in Edge Army's team thread yesterday, so thats when I went looking. I am pretty sure it was your own teammates that brought up and asked Nick about it in the first place.

Believe me I wanna see as many paying teams as possible too, but that doesn't mean to bend the rules to get there.

Also, I always assumed it was one D3 player. I didn't know it was an issue up to this point. We had discussions in another thread when talking about the old ICC. and getting 5man tourneys going strong again.
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I believe the MWXL is using "modified PSP rules" as the same situation accurred in the d3 division with the supposetly "new appa" rules for x-ball. The new rules state for d3 your suposed to be allowed two players of a higher division that together combined are below 3936 points no matter d1 or d2. I sent chris rahel a email an example of my roster and he replied with "You should be ok". So when I went to register, it wouldn't let me, stating that it was invalid. I then sent two more emails and a phone call to figure out what I was doing wrong and got no reply. Then the rules came out shortly after stating 2 D2 players or one D1 player. So I take it they just modified it. Same for this division, "Modified"
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So what is the final word on this problem??
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So what is the final word on this problem??
I'm sure we'll have our answer my Monday morning!!!
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I also didn't bring this up to complain about it. I actually first read about it in Edge Army's team thread yesterday, so thats when I went looking. I am pretty sure it was your own teammates that brought up and asked Nick about it in the first place.

Believe me I wanna see as many paying teams as possible too, but that doesn't mean to bend the rules to get there.

Also, I always assumed it was one D3 player. I didn't know it was an issue up to this point. We had discussions in another thread when talking about the old ICC. and getting 5man tourneys going strong again.
If you're not complaining, why would you bring it up at all? Also, no one from my team has said anything about this. Again, how are the rules being bent when the website, for the event we're playing and not another league, states that 2 d3 players are allowed?

I'm not sure where you're getting this rule bending/breaking nonsense, but we're just playing by the posted rules, as are a handful of other teams.
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I would like to share my thoughts on how we got to this place. The MWXL is a NEW attempt to revive what was once the Chi-Town series that was so successful years ago. You had quality efforts from Boom, GSE, distortion and wise Guys with a few efforts sprinkled in. For years these efforts dominated the series and other efforts died off because of there lack of quality finishes. Those teams disbanded and trinkled down to the D4 efforts and they requested that the D4 effort be able to roster 2 D3 players although they were playing a race to 2 since there were so many people wanting to participate.
The series listened to the players and terminated the Chi-town series and made the requested changes and we have what were playing now the MWXL. The thread that Nick (Aftershock) said we will be using the PSP rules from last year was a direct response to how everyone felt about coaching. Being the intelligent individuals we are we took that to mean that we would be using all the rules which means as stated in the D4 rule book to be 1 D3 player allowed. What your missing this MWXL is a true X-Ball league. D4 Xball. although were playing the race to 2 scenerio allows for the 2 D3 players to participate which is obvious because its on the MWXL website front page as well as the APPA site thats specifically states 2 D3 players allowed.
We, all 3 edge teams, disbanded the D3 Xball team and put those individuals on the D4 efforts so we can play as lines in preparation for the PSP Chicago event. We need a clarification as soon as possible since we wont have enough eligable D4 players available to fill all 3 efforts and that will leave 3 D3 players unable to play.
Thanks for reading and as always welcome thoughts and look forward to seeing everyone this weekend at the plex for a great 1st event of the MWXL season
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