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Old 04-21-2011, 06:57 PM #22
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wow your old
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Old 04-21-2011, 07:46 PM #23
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I don't know if I'd say Brian has done it 95% on his own - for the past several years he's been surrounded by some of the best players in the region. Each passing year the team ups their committment and dedication. You can't help but get better.

We have no individual players - we only have a team.
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Old 04-21-2011, 07:52 PM #24
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yes my math is off. i exaggerated a bit to make a point

i learned a TON since being around the fox4 scene..not to mention the luxury of the fields generous support!
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Old 04-21-2011, 07:53 PM #25
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We have no individual players - we only have a team.
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:08 PM #26
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Isn't a team made up of individuals?

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Old 04-22-2011, 12:41 AM #27
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Seems like if you have that natural instinct when you start playing, it can be done in about 2 years.
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Old 04-22-2011, 08:15 AM #28
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Wasn't Aftermath and or Damage one of the fastest teams to go pro?
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Old 04-22-2011, 09:02 AM #29
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Isn't a team made up of individuals?

Ya bruins
I think you've taken my statement to literally.

We have no individuals that are playing for individual glory
We have no individuals that feel they are above the rest

We have a team of players where
everyone supports each other
everyone critics each other
everyone contributes to the end goals
everyone work hard to improve their individual skills to support the team goals

You'll never hear the pits get heated because individuals get heated. A team focuses on changing the things they need to change in order to affect the outcome of the match.

We have a team
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Old 04-22-2011, 12:54 PM #30
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i am not talking college. I am talk EVER playing.

for example...if 187 turns pro next year. I will have gone from never even hearing about paintball to pro in 6 years. That is without surrounding myself with other pro's and learning 95% on my own. AND i was 28 when i started. there is no way in ANY other sport can you play for the first time at 28 (never played before not even Little league or HS) and be remotely close to pro.
hell almost EVERYONE has played some form of football at some point (in PE or recess) you cant do that with paintball...

I personally think its because it is NOT hard for an individual player to get to "pro" status in paintball....it IS however VERY difficult to get a TEAM to be pro status.
Because it is not a real sport, or looked upon that way.
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Old 04-22-2011, 08:33 PM #31
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Paintball is still extremely young, and hasn't developed higher levels of professional competition. Thus, it's possible to compete on the professional level in only a few years. If tournament paintball expands over the next decade however; the attributes needed to be a professional paintball player will grow.

If you look at other sports that have been around for much longer, success on the professional level takes more than a couple weekend practices.
exactly.
for example, the pros that you mentioned who started playing in around 02' and were pro by 04'. Right now if the canes team who is d1 right now played the pro roster of 04' i'm sure the d1 roster now would destroy the pro roster of 04'. Its still young and all of the other pro sports, such as this guy are playing 6 hours a day 6 days a week. If all pros could play 6 hours a day for 6 days a week imagine how good they would be? Especially looking a hundred years down the road after the sport progresses if it stays alive. I got into paintball in around 2004 probably and the pro level has already progressed a lot.
And getting into football or any other sport you can't just go to a local field and play with the patriots, or just jump on with college teams and play. In paintball, since its not as big, everyone is so close together. Someone who starts paintball can get lucky and just meet the right people and after a year be playing the hurricanes at your local field which will beat the **** out you but your gunna get better a lot quicker than playing nobodies. Anyone remember planet? I remember going to planet back in the day and playing on the same team as NYX players. You can't do that with other sports
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Depends where you start and what abilities you have. I know people who have blown away whole regions in less than a year in a sport, but of course that's not typical.

The 10,000 rule is more likely to be for "great". Mediocre or poor could be substantially less.

I think 1,000 is the low-end for most to achieve "mastery". Going pro would demand more but also requires ability. Like Bob Long said, the heart/desire doesn't die, but the body does.
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but you have to stop and think:

the professional players of today have been playing the sport that they became a professional in since they were in elementary school for the most part. yah, there are a few athletes who are naturally good at sports and can play anything, bu the majority have gone through HS and college playing day in and day out. a lot of time is put into it, more than 10,000 hours in most cases. for paintball, no kid has the money or resources to play non stop all season and off season. its just not a sanctioned sport. YET.

personal example: started playing paintball in 2006. had dreams of making it as a professional, so i tried out for a local D4 5-man team coming up in the NEPL (granite state predators). led them to win 4th overall so we bumped up to D3. team split up so I went to play for Johnny Myrick and big Kyle at XFire. we won everything for D3 in 2009. after that season i had no choice but to go to college, so my paintball career was put on hold.

that "on hold" period will be for the majority of my 4 years in college, only really getting to play in the summer. the professionals of today didnt put their careers on hold because they could continue playing and training throughout college and eventually would make it into the big leagues. if paintball could become a nationally recognized sport, played in HS and college (with the college actually recognizing it, rather than it being a club sport) then we could see the outcome of TRUE professionals. anyone with money can jump into the high ranks of paintball simply by buying their way in. not many other sports allow you to do that.
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Old 04-25-2011, 02:55 PM #34
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Seems like if you have that natural instinct when you start playing, it can be done in about 2 years.
That's the only thing I look at for players with potential. If you have the abnormal ability to take in the extreme amount of variables that paintball creates and calmly understand and react upon them is the 1 skill hardest to teach and easiest to teach with if they have it from the start.

Odds - Angles - Pressure - Timing. That's paintball...that's the ability to go pro.

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I think you've taken my statement to literally.

We have no individuals that are playing for individual glory
We have no individuals that feel they are above the rest

We have a team of players where
everyone supports each other
everyone critics each other
everyone contributes to the end goals
everyone work hard to improve their individual skills to support the team goals

You'll never hear the pits get heated because individuals get heated. A team focuses on changing the things they need to change in order to affect the outcome of the match.

We have a team
Are you saying thats the only way? Ollie and Dynasty get loud in the pits but they are the most winning team ever...Some of them are definitely above the rest of the team, and play for individual glory...

Individuals on a winning team still get/have/play for individual glory...it just has to be the glory that you helped your team win...but it's still glory.

We have no individuals that are playing for individual glory
We have no individuals that feel they are above the rest

We have a team of players where
everyone supports each other
everyone critics each other
everyone contributes to the end goals
everyone work hard to improve their individual skills to support the team goals


I would say a team's responsibility is to take the energy that is coming from passionate individuals and make it constructive instead of destructive and use it to motivate instead of frustrate.

I would say it's the team that uses that energy to do what you are saying (changes to affect the outcome of the match) but the individual that sparks it.

My point being you can be the russians or dynasty in the pits but they both can be a TEAM and be successful. It's a matter of the team's philosophy on their pits and how to handle them.

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Old 04-25-2011, 02:58 PM #35
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how many days/years is 10,000 hours
In the context of the article that precipitated this discussion, the fellow has dedicated 6 hours a day, 6 days a week, for 6 years. That works out to 11,664 hours, so there's probably a bit of vacation time sprinkled in there as well.
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