[thisistodd]

I dont really understand why I was forced to take off my undershirt in between points. Was wearing a raza jersey with factory padding.

[venice empire77]

Originally Posted by thisistodd

I dont really understand why I was forced to take off my undershirt in between points. Was wearing a raza jersey with factory padding.

You were the one with 2 jerseys on correct?
Only allowed 1 jersey. Your "undershirt" was a goonsquad jersey?

[thisistodd]

nope. Just a cut off tshirt. Raza jersey with factory padding. It was on the webcast field on saturday.

[YouGotOwned]

Originally Posted by texaspaintballplpaye

Also, you pulled a player from TCU with intentions or testing a marker for a shooting hot penalty yet it took forever for you guys to find a PACT timer to do it. I don't even think you tested the gun until another team had played their point waiting for it.

They pulled our guns (after the game, of course) like 8 times on Saturday. We concluded that the refs only wanted to test them before they actually buy one.

However, we did have a player on our second line get a 5 minute penalty for shooting 14bps. His gun had reset when he changed his battery. Lucky him!
BUT... very inconsistent with the rulings. Our player received 5 minutes suspension for a gross penalty while I personally saw two more players with guns over 14 not receive ANY penalty.... They were told by the same head ref to use a different gun or readjust it. Not saying that our player shouldn't have received the penalty, but it would be fair if players received the same penalties.

Also had a ref really mess up a call with the TCU/Baylor game. The field's only working fill station got stuck to our player's tank and kept filling...Blew out the reg. Ref stopped the countdown because of it and said that the game would start on the second buzzer to both teams. Buzzer #1 goes off and people start playing with 4 of our TCU guys standing there like WTF. And then the ref says that its our fault for not going off the first buzzer and that he's counting the game as Baylor point. It was some BS, but I thank Baylor for being VERY sportsmanlike and agreeing to replay the point.

But whatever, refs are human too.

[venice empire77]

Originally Posted by thisistodd

nope. Just a cut off tshirt. Raza jersey with factory padding. It was on the webcast field on saturday.

Ah, my bad. Had you switched up with someone else.

[gbk2]

Originally Posted by fAllout_oMen

saturday morning the ref came over and told us raehl was going to have them do a new rule; if your shot in an obvious place and don't call yourself out, they will pull a penalty, even if you call for a paintcheck.

This is not a new rule. You KNOW when you've got an obvious hit, and it's time to leave the game. Asking for phony paintchecks is CHEATING!

I thought the reffing was really inconsistent though. There were some good refs though, and the ultimate for the AA games was good, but overall some real inconsistencies. Also the refs floundered when it was time to make a tough call, usually it just ended up the spinner was given the benefit of the doubt and both players were pulled. Didn't happen to my team but I saw it a lot.

[P8BallDan]

Originally Posted by thisistodd

I dont really understand why I was forced to take off my undershirt in between points. Was wearing a raza jersey with factory padding.

We had the same issue as well. Our jerseys are up to ncpa specs and everything but they made us cut the sleeves off anyways.

[XxcrazymanxX]

reffs suck in general (meaning not this tournament but every one known to man). I just shoot anything that moves on the field, even when they come up to check me (who knows, that reff might have been paid to break a paintball on me so I let him know whose boss before they get a chance)

Otherwise, I thought reffing was great! Love to see local guys participate in reffing and the offical NCPA refs on field 1

[PhoenixLancer]

Reffing in general sucks! Long hours for less than minimum wage and we get yelled/cussed at and hated when we do our job and blamed when things don't go right. I really had a blast reffing the webcast field. I sound like a broken record, but I got to ref some great paintball games. The college scene has really become greatly competitive.

[HoktFonix]

Originally Posted by fAllout_oMen

saturday morning the ref came over and told us raehl was going to have them do a new rule; if your shot in an obvious place and don't call yourself out, they will pull a penalty, even if you call for a paintcheck.

We had the first game of the day on saturday, and received a lot of penalties. A LOT. I don't think it's fair to introduce a new rule halfway through the tournament.

The rule is that if its obvious enough that you can check it yourself and instead don't look and just call for a paintcheck then its a penalty, so not really a new thing

I agree with you on consistency being the main thing though, regardless of what is called

[DoughBoy239]

Originally Posted by fAllout_oMen

saturday morning the ref came over and told us raehl was going to have them do a new rule; if your shot in an obvious place and don't call yourself out, they will pull a penalty, even if you call for a paintcheck.

We had the first game of the day on saturday, and received a lot of penalties. A LOT. I don't think it's fair to introduce a new rule halfway through the tournament. We did receive penalties on players who called for paint checks and were hit, even if they stopped shooting completely. We also received penalties for players playing on with a pack hit, which is normally considered unobvious.

We played 3 matches on friday, and got 1 penalty the whole day. Saturday we received something like 7-it was night and day. I saw the refs neglecting to give penalties to teams later in the day for the exact reasons we got them. Such as the getting hit and calling for a paintcheck on an "obvious" spot. My only complaint is that they weren't consistent w/ their penalties for the new rule they were supposed to enforce.


edit; not trying to be a dick, because reffing all-around was great. in all my matches i never had a problem where i had shot someone and they werent pulled out. that normally happens at least a few times an event when im playing. field to field there were probably some differences, but overall on the xball fields i thought they did a good job.

it was not a "new rule". if u look at a ref with an obvious hit and dont get out right away or ask for a paint check with an obvious hit, they have every right to throw the flag. their were some dirty players out there and they paid the price. but overall great event. fun to watch.

[Ktmouse]

I liked the job the refs did for the most part with "obvious" hits-

Anyone who has ever used a rotor or similar loaders knows that you can get hit on the opposite side and have no clue, to say its your responsibility to know you've been hit in such a location is incredibly naive.
I specifically recall such an instance where the ref made a judgment call and decided I played on unknowingly and pulled me rather than issuing a major penalty. I saw this happen throughout the day and thought it displayed good judgment on the reffing side.

[bobbythe1]

Originally Posted by Ktmouse

I liked the job the refs did for the most part with "obvious" hits-

Anyone who has ever used a rotor or similar loaders knows that you can get hit on the opposite side and have no clue, to say its your responsibility to know you've been hit in such a location is incredibly naive.
I specifically recall such an instance where the ref made a judgment call and decided I played on unknowingly and pulled me rather than issuing a major penalty. I saw this happen throughout the day and thought it displayed good judgment on the reffing side.

That same thing happened to me.... got hit i'm my rotor and the red flags started flying. We should start a club thread

[playinpaintball]

Raehl made a new rule that if your jersies are padded you can't have an undershirt. Atleast thats what the liberty guys told me. They had to play without undershirts on saturday

[Enderle]

^ i heard the same thing

[thisistodd]

Why the new rule?

[HoktFonix]

I don't think their padding was measured so I don't think they should have made them take off undershirts

9. Equipment
9.1. Clothing
9.1.1. ...Players may wear only one layer of underclothing consisting of... one short or long sleeve t-shirt, provided that it contains no padding....
9.1.4. Padding in jerseys is not limited to specific areas; provided that the thickness does not exceed 5mm (0.197”) Padding material is limited to an open cell foam and must not be modified from the manufacture’s original form.

[pyromaniacs1]

Originally Posted by P8BallDan

We had the same issue as well. Our jerseys are up to ncpa specs and everything but they made us cut the sleeves off anyways.

They made you cut your jersey sleeves off? Those things are expensive, man!

Originally Posted by playinpaintball

Raehl made a new rule that if your jersies are padded you can't have an undershirt. Atleast thats what the liberty guys told me. They had to play without undershirts on saturday

That's crazy talk.

[texaspaintballplpaye]

I think their undershirt sleeves.

I saw a few teams having to do it.

[dman453]

That jersey rule is stupid. Thank God we wore longsleeves. lol

[straptrams91]

Originally Posted by EmpireAssassin

On Friday, I was watching a prelim game on field 3. It was Towson vs. another team (I think Penn State). At one point Towson called a timeout because I think they didn't have all their players on the field or something along the lines of that. I was standing about where the referees were at midfield and I heard multiple different players from the pit yelling for the timeout, yet the ref just stood there, didn't acknowledge them at all, and ran the point. After witnessing this, I told some of the guys on my team "if we call a timeout on this field, make sure the ref hears it" and seconds later he walked up to the net and said loudly, in my direction, "I didn't hear anything about a timeout." I'm not quite sure if it altered the overall outcome of the game, but it was a clear showing that the reffing at Nationals still needs a good deal of work.

it was against Pitt, and yeah thats pretty much what happened. i personally attempted to call the time out at roughly 25, 20 and 14 seconds left on the clock.. the kid running the scoreboard just sat there and stared at me, as well as the two officials by the air station.. They won by one point in overtime, so yes it technically altered the overall outcome of the game, as we went into OT at the end. It didn't matter in the end, as we still moved on, but the overall disorganization of that point was unbelievable.

Originally Posted by venice empire77

They tried to call a timeout with under 10seconds.

sorry but thats not what happened. Granted, we kept requesting a time out after the 10 second mark hit but like i said before, a timeout was requested multiple times prior to the point.


other than this little ordeal, i thought the refs was fairly good on friday..