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Old 03-28-2011, 10:55 PM #1
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http://www.propaintball.com/2011/03/...aintball-guns/

whether it be true or a rumor no less , i already defy this retarded proposal.i refuse to pay to have my tournement ready out of the box marker turn into a non legal tourney marker, especially when the marker is hundreds of $$$. nppl should just require a new nppl mode of fire thats capped at 15 and enforce it with radar guns, like 15 bps for example. just another way for the league and board manufacturer to **** us over for money. let me guess, chuck hendsh worked a deal with virtue , virtue will get tons of money for the newly required chip and the league president will get a percentage of each chip from virtue?

anyways , i can hit insane speeds on a g6r and victory , totally legal with my fingers, and i should be able to enjoy that factor because thats what i love doing , rippin faces to shreds. so post in here if you dont support this **** and want it shot out of the water. even if its just a rumor or pilot trial for hb , if enough of us post in opposition maybe they will get the hint to forget that **** dust in the wind
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:22 PM #2
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Are you a pro player? Did you even read the article?

The article clearly states that only professionals will have to have to get their guns teched at a specific time at the tournament to get a monitor installed which will make sure they do not exceed the 15 bps cap.

Seems NPPL is spending all the money to prevent cheating in the pros.

Your rant seem entirely unwarranted

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Old 03-28-2011, 11:38 PM #3
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Are you a pro player? Did you even read the article?

The article clearly states that only professionals will have to have to get their guns teched at a specific time at the tournament to get a monitor installed which will make sure they do not exceed the 15 bps cap.

Seems NPPL is spending all the money to prevent cheating in the pros.

Your rant seem entirely unwarranted

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they said that it will probably make its way down into the ranks before the season is over
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:52 PM #4
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"probably" and "end of the season" are a long way away from trying to screw all NPPL players out of money.
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What's to worry. If your fingers can hit the 15 bps cap legally, you shouldn't be worrying. Unless you're cheating
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I believe you are getting some things confused and ranting about two different issues. NPPL 2011 rules are now capped at 15bps in order to be compliant with insurance. Without insurance there wouldnt be paintball tournaments. Most markers that are used in tournament play can easily be capped at 15bps, so no issue there. They are coming up with a way to tell if someone is going over the 15bps rule. Either you just dont understand whats going on or you want to be a cheater? i think its great they are threatening to enforce the rules.
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http://www.propaintball.com/2011/03/...aintball-guns/

whether it be true or a rumor no less , i already defy this retarded proposal.i refuse to pay to have my tournement ready out of the box marker turn into a non legal tourney marker, especially when the marker is hundreds of $$$. nppl should just require a new nppl mode of fire thats capped at 15 and enforce it with radar guns, like 15 bps for example. just another way for the league and board manufacturer to **** us over for money. let me guess, chuck hendsh worked a deal with virtue , virtue will get tons of money for the newly required chip and the league president will get a percentage of each chip from virtue?

anyways , i can hit insane speeds on a g6r and victory , totally legal with my fingers, and i should be able to enjoy that factor because thats what i love doing , rippin faces to shreds. so post in here if you dont support this **** and want it shot out of the water. even if its just a rumor or pilot trial for hb , if enough of us post in opposition maybe they will get the hint to forget that **** dust in the wind
Really? Grow up and use proper english if your going to start a thread boycotting something.
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Old 03-29-2011, 06:05 PM #9
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I'm no Pro and doubt that this will ever apply to me.

However, I like the issue raised by the author in the link about warranty issues. If for ANY reason my marker were to go down while they have that device attached, I would like to know who is giving me a new marker? The Manufacturer, The Technician, NPPL, The anonymous company who is making this device!?!?! This is an important issue in my mind. Especially if it ends up working it's way down the ranks. A lot of players out there work their buns off to play through the year. If their $1500 marker go's down, where is the responsible party for the investment that player just lost??

I highly doubt any reputable manufacturer out there is going to be willing to say their equipment failed after someone else attached an aftermarket electronic interface into their already well designed marker. Nor do I see an electronics manufacturer being willing to except the loss of replacing every marker that has an issue while their radio device is attached to said marker. I simply do not see that happening either.

So, who is willing to claim responsibility for every marker in a tournament that has electronic issues? That's what I wanna know.?.?

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NPPL 2011 rules are now capped at 15bps in order to be compliant with insurance. Without insurance there wouldnt be paintball tournaments. Most markers that are used in tournament play can easily be capped at 15bps, so no issue there. They are coming up with a way to tell if someone is going over the 15bps rule. Either you just dont understand whats going on or you want to be a cheater? i think its great they are threatening to enforce the rules.
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However, I like the issue raised by the author in the link about warranty issues.
I'm sure they are coordinating with manufacturers. Alternately, if they make it a requirement the manufacturers will either comply to remain competitive in that market, or they will pressure the NPPL to compromise or address the issue another way. Either way the market will adjust and, as said previously, it's great to see a strong attempt to enforce the rules.
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Hey OP, here's an update from Virtue themselves:

http://www.propaintball.com/2011/03/...cheating-chip/
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what kind of guys are against anti-cheat eh ? the cheater ?
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Have any of you thought about the "What if it were your marker" scenario??

Here is a hypothetical,

For whatever reason, the marker you were using was working just fine, untill a couple hours after the new device was installed by the Virtue technician. Tech says your board is fried.......... No one knows who's fault it is or what caused the malfunction.

How do you react??
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Have any of you thought about the "What if it were your marker" scenario??

Here is a hypothetical,

For whatever reason, the marker you were using was working just fine, untill a couple hours after the new device was installed by the Virtue technician. Tech says your board is fried.......... No one knows who's fault it is or what caused the malfunction.

How do you react??
first and foremost if you read you would understand. Professional techs are installing the boards its not like they hand it to you and make you do it yourself. Secondly its not being installed into your board its being attached in parallel with your noid. so it will not fry your board unless you try to modify it. when you pull your trigger it sends a pulse to the noid which will also send that same pulse to the transmitter. the transmitter uses 1/10 of the noids power which means you will not see a difference. also it doesnt draw power so if your not pulling the trigger the transmitter is off. do you see where you are going wrong here. I don't think the problem is people shooting over 15 as much as it should be them having boards that switch into auto fire or rebound etc.... I already read a comment from DLX and other pros who are all for it. The way i am seeing it the Gun techs will be installing them with help from the virtue guys. Plus your not a pro you don't have to worry till its implemented for all divisions.
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Does anyone know if they have released any photos of these board and how they sync with your current board? Virtue said that they have been used by Legion and Damage before and I am curious how they connect them to our guns.
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Does anyone know if they have released any photos of these board and how they sync with your current board? Virtue said that they have been used by Legion and Damage before and I am curious how they connect them to our guns.
Please see the post I made right above urs and u will see I explained how it goes on
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Especially if it ends up working it's way down the ranks.
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It would appear KidInfamous does not.!.!

All I did was purpose a hypothetical. I guess I should have said "What if your SOLENOID go's down while the device is attached??"

But according to KidInfamous it would seem professional technicians never make mistakes. I for one am glad to know they are superhuman.

I doubt any Pro player who doesn't have to pay for his markers has a problem with the device. However, if KidInfamous had sat down and read my first post in here, where I asked "What happens when it moves down the ranks and they expect the blue collar player to allow some local tech to put an interface into his $1500 marker".

There is the real question..... I couldn't give a rip what the pro's are doing this weekend or next event, I play pump most of the time anyway. All I have been saying is if it moves down the ranks... I wouldn't want some local tech putting anything onto my Bob Long Victory's solenoid, not without some kind of guarantee that if it/he screws up my solenoid I am not liable. That is my point, who guarantees the markers computability with the device, or do the sponsors/players take the all the risk???
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orgrown7 has a very valid point. This opens the "certified technicians" to a whole slew of liability issues that I can not foresee anyone voluntarily taking on. Its an interesting concept, just a little too BIG BROTHER for me. We as a society are too quick to try and control the masses to prevent problems when just SEVERELY punishing the offenders is a sufficient approach. Trust me not to break the rules and the laws. IF I do, strike me down and make an example out of me. Simple as that.

And by the way, seeing as orgrown7 has typed everything in bold I cant help but assume he is actually Samuel L Jackson and yelling everything is just how he talks...
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I agree with Bobby, **** getting some bull**** soldered into my gun.

You tards go right ahead and let NPPL put one in your butt.
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Good lord.... how many pro players are in this thread complaining... C mon everybody is getting worked at something that as of yet isnt even targeted at ya. take a few deep breaths.. let the keyboard warrior in ya calm down and see how HB goes. itll all be fine..
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