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Old 03-08-2011, 07:25 AM #22
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reminds me of the view of communism in the 20s and 30s . I guess that would explain a lot of people's resentment of it.
His comment pretty much proved why people are uncomfortable with the muslim religion. If they care more about their religion than the United States, whats to stop them from fighting against us when the next world war happens, which will prolly be fought over ideological differences.
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:09 AM #23
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His comment pretty much proved why people are uncomfortable with the muslim religion. If they care more about their religion than the United States, whats to stop them from fighting against us when the next world war happens, which will prolly be fought over ideological differences.
They make up less than 1%(according to some sources) of the population and the Muslims we have here are the educated type, not the war hardened ones straight from conflict zones. Europe has another problem, they just get whoever trekked that far.

Anyway, any religion that threatens to kill people who criticize it or draw their beloved Muhammad does not belong in the Western world. You can keep that **** in your third world sandbox, thanks.

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Old 03-08-2011, 09:32 AM #24
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His comment pretty much proved why people are uncomfortable with the muslim religion. If they care more about their religion than the United States, whats to stop them from fighting against us when the next world war happens, which will prolly be fought over ideological differences.
Not so much the fighting part, but that national boundaries would cease to exist and people would lose their roles/positions. Fighting would be conjecture, thought I do agree, looking at the Spanish Civil War, it easily had the possibility of being bloody
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:07 AM #25
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"American Muslims utterly condemn the vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts." source
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CAIR... who has ties with Hamas...
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CAIR members actions speak louder than CAIR's words:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-082950-9083r/
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:20 AM #28
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Other organizations made the same statement... and here's an example.
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:27 AM #29
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Check out those violent radical muslims, forming a human shield around a church to stop bombers
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guys give dem moslemz some credit.

You can guess who is going to blow a plane up 9/10 its going to be some guy with a beard, who is probably asian and looks around a bit too much for normal day-to-day business.

if its a woman then...oh wait, they wouldn't trust a woman over here in the west, they're too backwards.
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Anyway, any religion that threatens to kill people who criticize it or draw their beloved Muhammad does not belong in the Western world. You can keep that **** in your third world sandbox, thanks.




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guys give dem moslemz some credit.

You can guess who is going to blow a plane up 9/10 its going to be some guy with a beard, who is probably asian and looks around a bit too much for normal day-to-day business.

if its a woman then...oh wait, they wouldn't trust a woman over here in the west, they're too backwards.
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:28 AM #32
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Yet another failure of tolerance and multiculturalism. Islam is not a western practice or culture, I don't care about discussing the radicals or not. To me, the issue is as simple as this: It is in no way relevant or applicable to western society and values. It should, quite frankly, Giiiiit out.


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Old 03-09-2011, 10:48 AM #33
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Yet another failure of tolerance and multiculturalism. Islam is not a western practice or culture, I don't care about discussing the radicals or not. To me, the issue is as simple as this: It is in no way relevant or applicable to western society and values. It should, quite frankly, Giiiiit out.
The best part is that they are often the ones screaming "Tolerance and diversity!"

Tolerance works both ways, gentlemen. SuperSupra was talking about how him and his cousin were left scarred after seeing a gay pride parade. Very tolerant mindset they have.

Anybody who is slightly secure with their sexuality wouldn't be affected by seeing a bunch of gay men. Being homophobic was cool in like 3rd grade. Grow the **** up.

Islam doesn't belong in the West, and I look forward to our eventual rude awakening that brings that belief into the mainstream. It's disgusting that an ex-Muslim living in a Western country has to fear for her life because she left the religion and now criticizes it(Ayaan Hirsi Ali) or that somebody made a film criticizing Islam's treatment of women and he was murdered in his own country. I don't know what else to expect from a religion based off the teachings of a war-mongering pedophile, however.

"Don't let the bad actions of a few Muslims change your opinion." I'm not letting the good actions of a few Muslims change it either. A plane flying into a skyscraper is a lot louder than a half hearted anti-radical protest.

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Old 03-09-2011, 11:04 AM #34
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The best part is that they are often the ones screaming "Tolerance and diversity!"

Tolerance works both ways, gentlemen. SuperSupra was talking about how him and his cousin were left scarred after seeing a gay pride parade. Very tolerant mindset they have.

Anybody who is slightly secure with their sexuality wouldn't be affected by seeing a bunch of gay men. Being homophobic was cool in like 3rd grade. Grow the **** up.

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Old 03-09-2011, 11:25 AM #35
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Ah tolerance. The passive aggressive tool to make one feel morally superior, usually under the guise of being open minded. Tolerance is paradoxical in that, when put into practice, to be tolerant of one set of values, you will, by default, become intolerant of another set of values.

The Islamic terrorism, radicals, whatever are just portions of a larger cultural problem.
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Care to expand upon this? Your entire rationale seems to stem from this notion, but with no explanation as to why Islam doesn't belong in the west.
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Care to expand upon this? Your entire rationale seems to stem from this notion, but with no explanation as to why Islam doesn't belong in the west.
because they're the infidels, no other reason needed
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Care to expand upon this? Your entire rationale seems to stem from this notion, but with no explanation as to why Islam doesn't belong in the west.
Maybe because Islam is still a major part of life for those who practice it. Or more importantly, people actually practice it more.

Look at what happened to Christianity. Many people here say they're Christians, but they barely go to church, pray, read the bible, etc. Christianity, for many people, is on the back burner ('cept for the religious right, of course). Because it's not such an important factor in their lives, they tend to align themselves more with societal norms and other mores than with the Churches teachings.

With Islam, they don't see it that way it seems. Those that practice still care very much about their religion, and let it affect their lives in a much greater way than Christianity affects Christians lives.
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Who, Muslims?


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Maybe because Islam is still a major part of life for those who practice it. Or more importantly, people actually practice it more.

Look at what happened to Christianity. Many people here say they're Christians, but they barely go to church, pray, read the bible, etc. Christianity, for many people, is on the back burner ('cept for the religious right, of course). Because it's not such an important factor in their lives, they tend to align themselves more with societal norms and other mores than with the Churches teachings.

With Islam, they don't see it that way it seems. Those that practice still care very much about their religion, and let it affect their lives in a much greater way than Christianity affects Christians lives.
This is an incredibly gross generalization of both Muslims and Christians. My father would not skip a breath in claiming that his devotion to Christianity would absolutely trump his devotion to the United States, whereas my Turkish friend is a practicing Muslim in the sense that you characterize most Chrisitans (regularly attends services, reads quran, etc., but doesn't strongly adhere to every precept demanded by the religion).

Not that that is even relevant to the question I was attempting draw an answer for: why is Islam supposedly incompatible with the Western world? What is it that fundamentally creates a schism between western practices and Islamic practices?
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...him and his cousin were left scarred after seeing a gay pride parade. ...
They do go overboard at those parades...
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True that. If I did what they do in their parades to females in public I'd stand the chance of lewd conduct from an officer.

The reason that people are uncomfortable with Muslims picking their religion over the United States is because we are identified as a Christian nation, even if people don't like to admit it. So, as a Christian it seems it would be a lot more unlikely for one to have to go against the United States, where as the Muslim faith isn't one that is that well accepted or made for western society.
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This is an incredibly gross generalization of both Muslims and Christians. My father would not skip a breath in claiming that his devotion to Christianity would absolutely trump his devotion to the United States, whereas my Turkish friend is a practicing Muslim in the sense that you characterize most Chrisitans (regularly attends services, reads quran, etc., but doesn't strongly adhere to every precept demanded by the religion).

Not that that is even relevant to the question I was attempting draw an answer for: why is Islam supposedly incompatible with the Western world? What is it that fundamentally creates a schism between western practices and Islamic practices?
gross generalization yes, but I don't think it's too far off the mark.
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