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Old 10-12-2012, 02:23 PM #1177
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Is that Ben Stiller's cousin?
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:36 PM #1178
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Is that Ben Stiller's cousin?
It is uncanny.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:41 AM #1179
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This election showed that we are becoming more and more secular, and taking notice of how crazy some of the religious zealots are in the Republican party. Also cited in the article is a pew research center poll showing that about 20% of Americans are in the "none" demographic, when asked of their religious affiliation.
Here's to a secular America!
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:34 AM #1180
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I've recently discovered that I do worry/wonder what would replace religion. Decry it all you want for superstitious nonsense, it serves many functions in society.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:33 PM #1181
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I've recently discovered that I do worry/wonder what would replace religion. Decry it all you want for superstitious nonsense, it serves many functions in society.
I feel that as more people embrace a more secular culture, things like charity givings and fellowship needs will actually be just fine.

And we all seem to live pretty normal lives without religion. More and more people seem to be becoming comfortable with living without the need of one. And in terms of the psychological need to be a part of "something bigger," I feel that can be found though many outlets. Politics, teams, research/knowledge, career, family, etc.

I did have a thought though. Much of the appeal and comfort of religion, I think, comes essentially from the feeling of loneliness/insignificance humans tend to feel at times. With God, you are never alone, as you believe that God hears your thoughts and sees what you see. Imaginary friends are clever tools conjured by our minds, often perceived as a childish function, but are really very intricate cognitive adaptations when you think about it. Adults just have more powerful imaginary friends than children.

So I wonder, with the new cultural norms of social networking, and simply living in the digital age, could this new ability to connect with so many people on such deep levels provide enough social assurance and peace of mind to sort of fill the role of religion, in terms of mental health? Can we replace the use of an imaginary friend with real human relationships, online and otherwise?

This all will also enable skeptical people to interact with others who think as they do, or share similar ideas and questions. Like we do on here. Being able to see that others are ok and perfectly normal without religion is reassuring and calming.

Being able to see that you're not alone in your thoughts, along with the new connecting capabilities from social networking and technology, perhaps our culture is ready to break from this mental tradition of lying to ourselves in cognitive dissonance. A culture of Humanism can account for the moral/ethical needs, and matters of humanitarian concern far better than ancient fairy tales. Modern culture has evolved beyond the need for religion. I think we are plenty adaptive enough as a species to figure out if any societal functions require something to fill religions former role.

My thoughts on that anyway.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:51 PM #1182
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I've recently discovered that I do worry/wonder what would replace religion. Decry it all you want for superstitious nonsense, it serves many functions in society.
Here's a peak:

In Kali-yuga, wealth alone will be considered the sign of a manís good birth,
proper behavior and fine qualities. And law and justice will be applied only on
the basis of oneís power.

[SB 12.2.3]
Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction,
and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness and manliness
will be judged according to oneís expertise in sex, and a man will be known
as a brahmana just by his wearing a thread.

[SB 12.2.4]
A personís spiritual position will be ascertained merely according to external symbols,
and on that same basis people will change from one spiritual order to the next.
A personís propriety will be seriously questioned if he does not earn a good living.
And one who is very clever at juggling words will be considered a learned scholar.

[SB 12.2.6]
A sacred place will be taken to consist of no more than a reservoir of water
located at a distance, and beauty will be thought to depend on oneís hairstyle.
Filling the belly will become the goal of life, and one who is audacious will be
accepted as truthful. He who can maintain a family will be regarded as an expert man,
and the principles of religion will be observed only for the sake of reputation.

Not that I buy much into all this stuff. But Godamnit if that doesn't sound like the West. Life was cyclical to the folks who wrote this, probably a chronicle of the lifecycle of all civilizations. I suspect that nothing will replace religion because, less all the dogma and symbols, what religion actually is cannot be so easily replaced.
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:29 PM #1183
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Here's a peak: so easily replaced.
I'm pretty sure I disagree that it sounds like the west.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:34 AM #1184
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I'm pretty sure I disagree that it sounds like the west.
Taking out the loaded words religion and spiritual, you're either not reading it, ****ing with me, writing it off because of some inherent bias against the source, or living in your own blissful island somewhere deep in your mind isolated from reality.

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Old 11-14-2012, 11:39 AM #1185
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Taking out the loaded words religion and spiritual, you're either not reading it, ****ing with me, writing it off because of some inherent bias against the source, or living in your own blissful island somewhere deep in your mind isolated from reality.
No, I don't disagree that those things occur. I'm just hesitant to paint with such broad strokes, there are still a lot of good people around - and religion has nothing to do with it.

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In Kali-yuga, wealth alone will be considered the sign of a manís good birth,
proper behavior and fine qualities. And law and justice will be applied only on
the basis of oneís power.
This has been true for centuries, religion or not. If anything it has been less prevalent in more modern times.

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[SB 12.2.3]
Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction,
and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness and manliness
will be judged according to oneís expertise in sex, and a man will be known
as a brahmana just by his wearing a thread.
We could have a huge discussion on gender roles here, but I don't really want to. Suffice it to say I don't subscribe to 'womanliness and manliness' as you probably do.

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[SB 12.2.4]
A personís spiritual position will be ascertained merely according to external symbols,
and on that same basis people will change from one spiritual order to the next.
A personís propriety will be seriously questioned if he does not earn a good living.
And one who is very clever at juggling words will be considered a learned scholar.
People who think academics are only learned because they're good at juggling words aren't much different than primitives who see technology and believe it to be magic. This statement is nonsense.

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A sacred place will be taken to consist of no more than a reservoir of water
located at a distance, and beauty will be thought to depend on oneís hairstyle.
Filling the belly will become the goal of life, and one who is audacious will be
accepted as truthful. He who can maintain a family will be regarded as an expert man,
and the principles of religion will be observed only for the sake of reputation.
At this point it sounds like rambling.


I think you pay too much attention to crap media and not enough attention to real people. These statements are good descriptors of the cover of US Weekly, and seem to be worth about as much.
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:05 PM #1186
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No, I don't disagree that those things occur. I'm just hesitant to paint with such broad strokes, there are still a lot of good people around - and religion has nothing to do with it.
The argument could be made that it does. We haven't replaced "god" with anything. No higher transcendent order. In that void people tend towards the pursuit of pleasures. Your "good" people are those who still try to be virtuous.

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This has been true for centuries, religion or not. If anything it has been less prevalent in more modern times.
Decline does not happen over night. We have many examples of societies that did not see wealth as an indication of privelage.

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We could have a huge discussion on gender roles here, but I don't really want to. Suffice it to say I don't subscribe to 'womanliness and manliness' as you probably do.
I know you don't, you dirty progressive.

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People who think academics are only learned because they're good at juggling words aren't much different than primitives who see technology and believe it to be magic. This statement is nonsense.
It isn't an attack on academics. A good example of this sort of thing are the editors & readers of the The New York Times or Slate.

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At this point it sounds like rambling.
Translation:

beauty is superficial
Carnal pleasures and survival are the goals in life
audaciousness speaks for itself
your average religious man & his church is a hyprocrite socialite. We devote plenty of time around here to pointing that out.


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I think you pay too much attention to crap media and not enough attention to real people. These statements are good descriptors of the cover of US Weekly, and seem to be worth about as much.
Just about everything I argue that pertains to modern life is anecdotal. It is really hard to avoid the media. You can take this statement as you will, I don't care.

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Old 11-18-2012, 07:17 PM #1187
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May seem weird, but guess who's joining this side of the fence?
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:31 PM #1188
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May seem weird, but guess who's joining this side of the fence?
Did too much Harry Potter finally poison your mind against God?

Edit: For real though, what's this about?
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Interesting news from the Mars rover.

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Grotzinger says they recently put a soil sample in SAM, and the analysis shows something earthshaking. "This data is gonna be one for the history books. It's looking really good," he says.
http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-ne...s-mum-for-now/
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:35 PM #1191
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Fingers crossed for Alien feces!

For real though, I'm interested to hear what the fuss is about.
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For real though, I'm interested to hear what the fuss is about.
You say it in jest, but it is very likely that there is evidence of organic life.
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You say it in jest, but it is very likely that there is evidence of organic life.
I wouldn't jump there yet.
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You say it in jest, but it is very likely that there is evidence of organic life.
Organic compounds, not life.

Curiosity can't detect life itself, only the chemicals that we understand are required for it.
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