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Old 03-04-2011, 05:40 AM #1
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NCPA - Sponsor Paint Only starting 2011-2012 Season

Starting with next season, the NCPA will be moving to a Sponsor Paint Only system similar to the other national leagues. The fact of the matter is as a league, we generate a tremendous amount of volume in paint sales for the manufacturers, but some manufacturers have been more willing than others to help the NCPA in return.

The new policy will mean that all FPO events must use paint from one of the NCPA's paint sponsors, and all paint shot at BYOP events must also be branded from one of the NCPA's paint sponsors.

The paint sponsor fee will be extremely reasonable - probably a combined total of $16,000 amongst ALL of the paint vendors. So assuming all of the potential major paint sponsors were to participate (KEE, Procaps, GI, Valken and Hydrotech) the fee would be about $3,000 per sponsor, and this fee would include paint sale rights at the National Championships.


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Old 03-04-2011, 09:25 AM #2
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Is it safe to assume you will be announcing the companies we can use? and when will that be announced?
Also for clarification, if we host an event on our campus, we can sell only paint from an approved sponsor?
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Yea if you could make the deadline for this sometime in the summer so we know what we are doing that'd be awesome.
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:45 AM #4
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Yes, as they commit to being sponsors, and yes.

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Old 03-04-2011, 10:18 AM #5
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:31 AM #6
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Sounds like a great step forward for the NCPA
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does that mean paint prices might be a little cheaper for AA instead of the standard $50/case?
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does that mean paint prices might be a little cheaper for AA instead of the standard $50/case?
Paint pricing is up to the field owners hosting events.

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Finaly more people backing are league is a really good thing. nationals is gona look like world cup soon lol
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Finaly more people backing are league is a really good thing. nationals is gona look like world cup soon lol
considering how many pros show up, I agree with you
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Old 03-04-2011, 01:27 PM #11
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great idea, i'm sure the major companies will be on this asap. The only problem I see (then again, I don't know all the ins and outs) - is connecting all the companies. So if its 16k total - each company would want in on it as long as they are represented - for example if KEE, procaps, gi and hydro all say they are in, then they don't distribute in an area (for example ive never seen hydrotech paint) - would other companies back out if the price tag is raised if one backs out. its a great idea for the league, kinda like the psp sponsor levels.
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so just to make sure im understanding this correctly....

1. companies are paying a combined 16k to ncpa to be able to sell paint.

2. paint prices are still determined by the field and thus most likely will not change.

3. players are limited in the variety of paint that they can shoot.

I'm sorry but I just don't understand how this is good for anyone but you Mr. Raehl
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Old 03-11-2011, 03:31 AM #14
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Drexel has shot NPS since the good ol' days, and we will be sticking with KEE for the future.
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i guess this will help with the shipping fees we pay to bring paint to nationals?
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so just to make sure im understanding this correctly....

1. companies are paying a combined 16k to ncpa to be able to sell paint.

2. paint prices are still determined by the field and thus most likely will not change.

3. players are limited in the variety of paint that they can shoot.

I'm sorry but I just don't understand how this is good for anyone but you Mr. Raehl
How is it good for Raehl its not like the money is going into his pocket...And if this ends up lowering nationals entry or curtailing an increase in entry or hotel fees and the like then it works for us. Its not like hes screwing you over, and if you are so worried about it then talk to your supplier and make sure they invest.
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I like the idea. only one question...


how does this help our teams? are prices lowered for paint? or maybe entrance? im just not seeing the direct benefit to the players, only the benefit that companies are beginning to get involved with the NCPA (which is awesome on its own)
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How is it good for Raehl its not like the money is going into his pocket...And if this ends up lowering nationals entry or curtailing an increase in entry or hotel fees and the like then it works for us. Its not like hes screwing you over, and if you are so worried about it then talk to your supplier and make sure they invest.
I'm not worried about it hurting us at all, ncpa is cheap as is. I'm just curios to see if there is any actual benefit to the players/teams/field owners that Chris may have not mentioned.

Im mostly worried about the field owners that host events that my only have 1 paint supplier and may have previously been FPO, if their supplier chooses not to sponsor NCPA I could see the field just deciding not to hold events instead of jumping through hoops or increasing entry to compensate for lost paint revenue. Now if the NCPA was willing to help set up a way that the field owner could get paint from an approved vendor then i dont think it would be an issue.
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^I don't think that will be much of a problem. Most fields do have dealership with most companies. Except Hydrotec. I still can't get in touch with them
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I'm not worried about it hurting us at all, ncpa is cheap as is. I'm just curios to see if there is any actual benefit to the players/teams/field owners that Chris may have not mentioned.

Im mostly worried about the field owners that host events that my only have 1 paint supplier and may have previously been FPO, if their supplier chooses not to sponsor NCPA I could see the field just deciding not to hold events instead of jumping through hoops or increasing entry to compensate for lost paint revenue. Now if the NCPA was willing to help set up a way that the field owner could get paint from an approved vendor then i dont think it would be an issue.
We are dealers for only one paint company. I was slightly concerned, but the way to address it is to talk to the companies and encourage them to support the NCPA. This policy will help the NCPA gain some support from the paint companies. Raehl has mentioned previously that noone makes money from the NCPA fees or anything. It all goes to expenses. I am on board.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:04 PM #21
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I'm sorry but I just don't understand how this is good for anyone but you Mr. Raehl
There are three options:

1) The NCPA has more revenue than expenses.
2) I personally make up for any difference between NCPA revenue and expenses.
3) The NCPA ceases to operate.

I'm willing to "finance" the NCPA - I have on several occasions loaned my personal money to the league (at 0% interest) when there's a cash flow issue (usually around Nationals when we spend a whole bunch of money at once and don't necessarily get all our entry fee/sponsor revenue until after the event). But I'm not willing, in addition to all of the time I donate, to fork over $10k or more to keep the league running.

So, the option is, we operate in the black, or there is no more NCPA.


It does not seem unreasonable to me that after generating hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in revenue for the industry that the industry can't come up with $15k to help support the league.


I doubt this will effect players at all. All the manufacturers have marketing budgets and the cost to participate is a very small fraction of it tied with a much larger financial benefit to the manufacturer. This just provides an incentive for manufacturers to provide the same support to NCPA that they do to other leagues.


And more money not from the players is ultimately less money we need from the players.


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4) Someone else makes up for the difference between NCPA revenue and expenses. If you would like to volunteer, the NCPA address is on our website; make the $15k check out to NCPA Inc.


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