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Old 02-22-2011, 08:44 AM #1
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Class A question

I was curious as to how many teams are needed in a Class A conference. I know we in Florida are looking at this and so far we would have....

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is this enough or do we need to have more? what is the absolute minimum a Conference can have?
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Old 02-22-2011, 09:19 AM #2
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Mid-Atlantic has 3 teams.
SEC has 4.
4 is a good number
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:40 PM #3
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nice, so the main thing is getting approval then?
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:48 PM #4
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Getting your team and those other teams approved.
The other warning I offer is to make sure you have enough players and money to complete the season. Some teams have rushed into Class A and not been able to finish the year because of losing players or not correctly budgeting. Also, unless you have lots of players and lots of money, don't play Class A and AA...
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Old 02-22-2011, 01:11 PM #5
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We have played both World Cups in the college division since our inception and competed in Nationals last year. We have more people this year as well. I know UF has a good amount of players and have competed longer than us. UCF has the bodies and FGCU has the bodies as well.

thank you for the input though. Do we need to email anything in particular to anybody?
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Old 02-22-2011, 01:15 PM #6
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It will take an email to Chris, but I don't think he wants them yet... typically people start the conversation of conferences over the summer. We watched you guys some at Nationals this past year, very competitive. I still remember one of your player's knees going out and had to be carried off the field... Hope you guys are getting ready for Nationals. Looking forward to it.
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Old 02-22-2011, 01:26 PM #7
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seems like the number you have is fine. Getting the approval over the summer and proving you all have the funds will be what you have to do to get that going. We have had up to 6 in the NEIC in the past, but split the conference into 2, 4 team conferences upon some additions before last year. So, 4 is what you should shoot for.
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:36 PM #8
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We don't want to run a conference with less than 4 teams, and would like to start a season with 5 if possible.


The biggest issue you have is we want to see healthy AA events in your area. I would be hesitant to consider a Class A conference in FL when we barely have an AA conference there. And a lot of the schools you have listed there have not even completed an AA season yet.


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Old 02-22-2011, 04:32 PM #9
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we compete in the Class A's that are in our area and some AA's. FGCU has competed regularly in Class AA events, UCF is still new but put two teams in the last event i believe. UF has always competed in Class A and AA events.

edit: yea Tom dislocated something in his knee but is better now. he has earned the nickname broken tom now though lol
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:53 PM #10
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Do any Class A teams pay everything out of pocket? IE no funding?

Sorry to jack the thread, but we're in the same boat in our conference. We have colleges entering 3 teams at events, and over 16+ teams showing up to events.
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We used to but slowly we've gotten more and more funding as we show progress.

Also it isnt a matter of can you go to the 2 Class A's near you, you gotta be able to travel, I doubt there would be a Florida only conference, it would include other schools from other states. That means youd have to be able to pay gas and lodging for a whole season on top of paint and entry.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:29 PM #12
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that's fine, we can travel. but we were thinking of doing all the events at CFP. ie we would "host" at CFP, USF would "host" at CFP, etc... If need be and we needed to travel to Georgia or something and UGA or Georgia state would want to join into the conference, so be it.

we pay out of pocket with some help from the school
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:29 AM #13
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the thing is schools can "say" they want to but chris makes the most valid point that they need to participate in class aa for at least a season to show they are dedicated. you dont want schools to drop after the first or second event. take for example clemson. i think almost all of us here on the nation know you badly want to play a but its finding other schools that have been playing and have the same desire to along with resources to play a full season. even the most established schools with great funding have a hard time playing a full season with availability to schedule the events.
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:42 AM #14
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UCF is here to stay. We'd like to be in class A as it's pretty much every NCPA school's goal and we do show interest in playing class A sometime.

We are not official with the school, so currently everything do is out of pocket. 0% help from UCF. Ole Miss' cost was ~1600, Kennesaw ~1500 and just recently our tournament at CFP was ~1600 for two lines. I don't think even if we had to pay out of pocket, that would be an issue for us at least.

I understand the point that we need to compete in at least a season to prove dedication, which we are. Nearly all of us are brand new to UCF and we're all here for another 2+ years. I think we as a team could do it, and I think that Florida could support 4 teams for a Class A conference.
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For obvious reasons I can't say EXACTLY what it costs us to play Class A, but lets just say its ballparked around $20k for season entry and events. This doesnt include practice and travel expenses. So yea 1600 for and event is nice but you gotta front 3x that for season entry, and close to 2x that per event in paint.
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yea but it's only three grand for entry for the season and then paint for like two matches every other month or so. that's all doable in my mind.
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yea but it's only three grand for entry for the season and then paint for like two matches every other month or so. that's all doable in my mind.
I think you missed Snido's post right above yours. $20,000 is a very realistic cost for competing in Class A for a season. You have a $3,800 entry fee, plus practice paint, plus 8-10 full matches, plus the good probability of travel. Are your players willing, and more importantly able, to pay $2k out of pocket to play for the year? Even more importantly, are there 3-4 other schools in the SACC region that have a field of 15-20 players and financial support from their school to play for the year?

We also consider the effect that we would see on the surrounding Class AA community. If we pull four schools, and 8 lines out of your region, do we have enough teams to continue a Class AA region? The answer is likely no, though we certainly haven't fully evaluated the implications at this time.

Again, we're not saying no, but there are several considerations we need to be absolutely sure of before we make a decision to form a Class A conference. We're also very hesitant to do so because we've killed conferences that didn't have a solid AA foundation (the midwest, for example).

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It's useful to look at APPA to get an idea of participation and viability for a new Class A conference.

Of the teams you named, 4 of them registered 1 squad (FAU, FGCU, UF, USF) and 1 of them (UCF) had 2 squads in the latest SACC AA event. Also relevant is the fact that this event took place at CFP - the venue you proposed as the location for all events in the potential A conference.

The way I see it, if those 4 (or 5) teams can't get 2 AA lines to an event at CFP, your new Class A conference doesn't have the manpower to be successful.

Also, only 2 of those teams participated in World Cup 2010. It just doesn't look like you have the level of team participation to attempt a Class A conference.

If FAU, FGCU, UF, USF and UCF make an appearance at Nationals 2011 and participate in Class A, it would be worthwhile reviewing this idea again.
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We're under Knights paintball. We can't even use UCF's name yet. <- just to clear that up.

Most of our "region" is unwilling to travel to Florida to play our events.
Even if we don't have our own class A conference, why not at least have our own class AA conference first? If I'm willing to drive the 16 hours it took to play Ole Miss, why can't teams from around that area drive the same to ours?
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It's useful to look at APPA to get an idea of participation and viability for a new Class A conference.

Of the teams you named, 4 of them registered 1 squad (FAU, FGCU, UF, USF) and 1 of them didn't even participate (UCF) in the latest SACC AA event. Also relevant is the fact that this event took place at CFP - the venue you proposed as the location for all events in the potential A conference.

The way I see it, if those 4 (or 5) teams can't get 2 AA lines to an event at CFP, your new Class A conference doesn't have the manpower to be successful.

Also, only 2 of those teams participated in World Cup 2010. It just doesn't look like you have the level of team participation to attempt a Class A conference.

If FAU, FGCU, UF, USF and UCF make an appearance at Nationals 2011 and participate in Class A, it would be worthwhile reviewing this idea again.
ucf actually had 2 teams at the last event. We thought about competing at WC but we only had 8 people at the time and 2 of us were playing on other teams. Once we get funding from our school we will be looking at putting up a class a team.
Travel for us isnt an issue either. We drove the 16 hours to Ole miss and would be traveling up to pevs if nationals was there. Lucky we got it in our own backyard.
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