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Old 02-15-2011, 01:12 PM #22
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Well THAT picture looks ALOT more ergonomically sound than the 3 paintball wide description L_x and others were thinking.
I still stand by my comments, you can see in the following video that the grip frame is the same width as the 'magazine' - which we know to be 3 paintballs wide (plus wall thicknesses). That makes the frame twice the width of a "normal" paintball gun. I would assume that the massive radius on the frame helps make up for that, but it's still going to be very awkward to hold and pull the trigger.

But it's not just the frame that's wide, the entire marker is. And unless there is something revolutionary (and massive) going on under the hood that the industry has never seen before, I would assume that most of the interior is going to be empty/air. It's very bulky - and for no reason.

That being said, I think this marker has some really good merits. The hopper/magazine idea is quite clever in that it has the benefits of both hoppers and magazines without many of the drawbacks, apart from the lower capacity. I would just like to see more effort put into ergonomics, and would definately like to see them incorporate their tiny tank into the (massive and presumably empty) stock.

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Old 02-15-2011, 01:40 PM #23
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Simunitions ftw. Try that stuff out if you want something realistic that you can shoot out of your service weapon that doesnt cost an arm and a leg like the laser systems.
i have an ar-15. do they sell the kits to civilians? as far as i know you just swap out the bolt and bolt carrier, right?
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Old 02-15-2011, 01:46 PM #24
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EDIT: If it was being marketed to the US military do you think they would pay retail? Of course not.
the military pays alot more for everything than you would think. companies that know they can take advantage of the DOD will price gouge just because they can and the government will pay for it.
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Old 02-15-2011, 01:55 PM #25
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does the US military even use the FN P90? I searched and could only find 9 police/swat forces in the US that use them and no mention if the army/navy uses them. If not, then something like this is 100% useless to them. You want to train with a weapon that has identical ergonomics to your real weapon. Quick reaction pointability has a lot to do with the familiarity and the last thing you'd want to do is train with a bullpup smg if thats not what you'll be using.
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Old 02-15-2011, 02:01 PM #26
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i don't know if anyone remembers the pic of the inside of the clip from yesterday, but from the pic today with the clip partly removed, you can see that there must be a gearbox and a battery compartment in the stock.

imagine that every time you reloaded a rotor, you removed the top half with the rotor arm, and then when you would replace the top half with a previously loaded top half. the cheese gear would be spinning and you would have to try to drop on the drive cone with the cheese gear in motion. somehow they would have to have the gearbox stop when you disconnected the clip, then load another clip which would trip a switch (or eyes), re-energizing the the gearbox. the feed-neck shown of the gun today leads right to the breech, so the eyes on the gun could control the loader as well as allowing the solenoid to fire.

the problem i see is that on a rotor-type loader system, you can't get a ball to drop in the breech without turning on the rotor. so the feeding system couldn't be driven by the eyes on the gun. it would need a dead-man's switch that stopped the drive when the clip was removed. and a pressure switch like on the rotor to stop the arm from spinning when your not firing. since the loader can't run on eyes, it has to be almost exactly the same operation as a rotor. and they can't sell it in the US that way.
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Old 02-15-2011, 02:03 PM #27
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does the US military even use the FN P90? I searched and could only find 9 police/swat forces in the US that use them and no mention if the army/navy uses them. If not, then something like this is 100% useless to them. You want to train with a weapon that has identical ergonomics to your real weapon. Quick reaction pointability has a lot to do with the familiarity and the last thing you'd want to do is train with a bullpup smg if thats not what you'll be using.
the secret service use them almost exclusively. they fit easily under a jacket, and hold plenty of rounds.
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Old 02-15-2011, 02:34 PM #28
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i have an ar-15. do they sell the kits to civilians? as far as i know you just swap out the bolt and bolt carrier, right?
It is actually a bolt/carrier and upper, as well as magazines (which are a pain in the dick to load for the last few rounds).

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but they hurt SO BAD
(seriously, those things hurt alot )
They don't really hurt anymore than paintballs.
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Old 02-15-2011, 02:39 PM #29
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It is actually a bolt/carrier and upper, as well as magazines (which are a pain in the dick to load for the last few rounds).



They don't really hurt anymore than paintballs.
i was wondering if it used the same barrel. it has to be expensive then.
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Old 02-15-2011, 02:53 PM #30
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Given the price of real ammo, guns, and such, i hope they DO buy this if they need this kind of training, lot cheaper than the laser systems they use.
But paintball is nothing like live fire drills, I'd rather them spend $1600 on live fire drills which actually help them protect my ***.
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Old 02-15-2011, 02:58 PM #31
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But paintball is nothing like live fire drills, I'd rather them spend $1600 on live fire drills which actually help them protect my ***.
Right, cause clearing an urban setting or building where the shots are 20 feet or less and the focus is on movement, reaction time, and covering fire is so much different if i am shooting a paintball or a bullet....

If you want to have large field battles, paintball makes no sense, if you are fighting in close quarters, paintball is pretty much interchangeable, hence why its so popularly used for training police etc.

Also as was said, the FN is used heavily by the secret service.
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Does it work like an airsoft gun or something?
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Old 02-15-2011, 09:52 PM #33
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the military uses paint rounds that fit to the AR platform

The military has no standard issue submachine gun as far as i know, maybe the mp5, most soldiers are issued the M4 which is a shorter barrel carbine.

FN also has a limited contract with the military to equip units with SCAR's but im not sure.

Looks interesting but if its above 500 I don't see much of a profit being made
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Old 02-15-2011, 10:09 PM #34
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definitely does remind me of a p90, I wonder how much it weighs in comparison to a real gun of that size, this would be a cool paintball gun to use as a training device
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:47 PM #39
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I dont think it looks that bad... id try it out.
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Look up the E-Volt and you will change your mind. I hope to see a shooting video soon of the K1.
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does the US military even use the FN P90? I searched and could only find 9 police/swat forces in the US that use them and no mention if the army/navy uses them. If not, then something like this is 100% useless to them. You want to train with a weapon that has identical ergonomics to your real weapon. Quick reaction pointability has a lot to do with the familiarity and the last thing you'd want to do is train with a bullpup smg if thats not what you'll be using.
Exactly. The Military uses the AR15 platform.
Someone mentioned the Secret Service uses the P90, but I was thinking they used the HK MP5. Dunno :/

This looks pretty awesome. If the $1600 price tag is true, I definitely won't be buying one anytime soon. Hell, even if it was $800 I got a handful of guns I want before this :/
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