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Old 04-06-2013, 03:10 PM #1
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Axe reg creep

I got an axe if left standing the psi will creep up say 30 psi from 180 which makes that shot be well over 300 fps making it dangerous.

Has anyone had a similar issue and fixed it? I've already stripped the regulator and cleaned it all to no effect.

I was gonna order two new o rings for the piston inside the reg not sure what else it could be.

Cheers for any help.
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Old 04-06-2013, 03:24 PM #2
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Is the marker new?? Mine also jumps but I was told its cause it is brand new an needs to break in.. That it will stop after a while...
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Old 04-06-2013, 05:25 PM #3
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Nope it ain't new . What exactly needs breaking in though? other than the piston o rings what else needs breaking in there's nothing in it that moves. Its annoying to have keep thinking about when I last fired is my fps still ok I better shoot one at the floor to be safe..
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Old 04-06-2013, 06:29 PM #4
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The reg seat/seal may also be a culprit in the reg creep. The common suggested fixes go like this:

1. Drop a few drop of gun oil into the ASA. Fire or cycle the gun with a few shots to work the oil through.

2. If that doesn't work, take apart regulator. Replace and regrease orings/seals as needed.

3. If uncomfortable with taking apart reg call Empire/Kee and have them replace or rebuild your regulator.

I'm currently waiting for parts to rebuild my axe reg due to reg creep but I just went ahead and sent my regulator to Kee. They are rebuilding it for free.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:28 PM #5
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Yea if you're not in a hurry contact Kee.

I also had a reg creep issue and sent them an email. All they need is your name and shipping info and they'll send a new reg free of charge.
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Old 04-07-2013, 01:32 AM #6
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I'm in UK and the support is none existent I got it second hand so they don't wanna know...

The plastic reg seal just stops air coming out surely I'd hear a leak or see the psi drop if any thing. My theory is air is slowly building up somewhere possibly between the two o rings on the piston.

If there's a leak psi won't go up so im confused something is very slowly letting more air enter...
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Old 04-07-2013, 06:39 PM #7
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The reg seat/seal may also be a culprit in the reg creep. The common suggested fixes go like this:

1. Drop a few drop of gun oil into the ASA. Fire or cycle the gun with a few shots to work the oil through.

2. If that doesn't work, take apart regulator. Replace and regrease orings/seals as needed.

3. If uncomfortable with taking apart reg call Empire/Kee and have them replace or rebuild your regulator.

I'm currently waiting for parts to rebuild my axe reg due to reg creep but I just went ahead and sent my regulator to Kee. They are rebuilding it for free.
Option 1 worked 100% for me when I was having issues with reg creep on mine. Went from creeping up every few hundred shots to staying put for a whole day and 2 cases. Just put a couple drops of oil in the ASA, dry fire a few times, then clean out what oil got launched up the air transfer tube and whatever ended up in the poppet and such. The last part may not be needed but I don't like having oil where it's not needed.
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Old 04-07-2013, 07:45 PM #8
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Yea if you're not in a hurry contact Kee.

I also had a reg creep issue and sent them an email. All they need is your name and shipping info and they'll send a new reg free of charge.
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Old 04-07-2013, 07:46 PM #9
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If the pressure is increasing, it's certainly a faulty reg seat.
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If the pressure is increasing, it's certainly a faulty reg seat.
This. (Faulty also means potentially dry in this case.)
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:33 AM #11
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Shoot it more. My axe was fine until like 7 cases in then my reg started to creeep i talked to some players from heat and infamous and they tole me because it was new. Now im in my 9th case and i noticed it did not creep at all. Is stayed super still
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:41 AM #12
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Shoot it more. My axe was fine until like 7 cases in then my reg started to creeep i talked to some players from heat and infamous and they tole me because it was new. Now im in my 9th case and i noticed it did not creep at all. Is stayed super still
I mean... I guess... sounds like they were giving the brush off excuse to me. "Try this and come back if it doesn't work"... ha... wish I could say stuff like that for product complaints in my industry!

That reg seat is super-hard plastic. It really doesn't ever "wear in".

In most cases, when it's bad, you can't even see the defect.

I've rebuilt several guns with creep issues and a brand new reg seat gave them with 100% stable pressure with the new parts immediately - no need for any "break in".
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:00 PM #13
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Reg seat the little see through plastic disc? doesn't that just stop the air venting through the lever when its primed?

I've got two so I might swap the discs round just to see if anything changes.
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:03 PM #14
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Reg seat the little see through plastic disc? doesn't that just stop the air venting through the lever when its primed?

I've got two so I might swap the discs round just to see if anything changes.
Nope. The clear plastic reg seat is fully responsible for pressure regulation.

The black oring (15) on the brass end cap (16) is keeping the pressure from the lever area.
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:09 PM #15
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See the image.... it sounds like you get it... this is for everyone elses benefit.

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Old 04-08-2013, 04:24 PM #16
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Thanks for that diagram does actually make more sense now. I think I get it so air rushes in till the pressure between the piston and seal reaches a point where reg seal is pushed by the air pressure behind it stopping more air entering, right?

What is a complete mystery is how the heck does that lever work?

I swapped the seals round its definitely made it better still creeping say 10 psi no where near as bad though. It worth changing the pin as well?
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:26 PM #17
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Would changing 15 help since that's what the seal sits against?
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:27 PM #18
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Thanks for that diagram does actually make more sense now. I think I get it so air rushes in till the pressure between the piston and seal reaches a point where reg seal is pushed by the air pressure behind it stopping more air entering, right?
Now you're asking a much more complicated question. http://www.zdspb.com/tech/misc/maxflo.html

The lever just pushes down on the little metal piece under it, which has a ramped surface that the back of the pin rides.
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:37 PM #19
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Is the reg seal supposed to be completely dry? looks like its supposed to be.
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The seat is supposed to be the "wear" part. Shouldn't need to replace the pin unless its been damaged in some way (bent, severe gouge, etc).
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Old 09-23-2013, 03:16 PM #21
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Empire Axe Regulator Creep

I just bought a used axe and it has 40,000+ shots on it but it has bad reg creep. when i aired it up it started at 180 psi and in about a minute it goes to over 200psi. Please help me fix this because its really bad for the gun.
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