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Old 02-05-2013, 05:24 PM #1492
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I'll do further research. I came across this site and thought it contained helpful ray information, until I saw this:

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My aim is/was a tank of likely 700/800 liters (round 200/230 US gals) to house a few selected Amazon heavyweights beyond my actual ray, such as: An Arowana, another ray (trying to get a breeding pair) and a, just an idea at the moment, Sorubim lima (aka Lima Shovelnose) or two Oscars (Astronotus Ocellatus).
There is NO way that tank is big enough for an arrowana, let alone 2 rays and a shovelnose.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:35 PM #1493
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Theres very few people in this country who can house an Arowana full grown.

You're looking at a MASSIVE tank to accommodate a fully grown one.

But having said that, an aro and two rays being that one is primarily a top water fish and the others are bottom fish, I don't see much of a problem with that to be honest.

Just have to make sure your filtration is up to the bio load up until the aro gets too big.
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Isn't that tank too small for any of those fish? The ray she got maxes at like 39"
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Personally I'd say said article is quite the funny story, (I didn't even look at it till now) because most of the time from my understanding, you don't want much of anything on the floor of the tank other than some sand or really small smooth rocks, and shes talking about moderate aquascaping.

However, if the tank is only 12-16" deep (water depth, not front to back) and is 230 gallons, then you've got a decent bit of room for the ray.

I would not purchase a ray unless I set up one of those 15 or 17ft intex pools that a lot of MFK people use for big cats.
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Isn't that tank too small for any of those fish? The ray she got maxes at like 39"
Yes. It is severely undersized for any of them.
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:29 PM #1498
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Yeah I've been flipping through his videos. I imagine glass would cost a ton.
Dont build it of glass. Do it with plywood and marine epoxy. Tbh you wont save much money going diy unless you can get hook ups.

I tried building one last yea (I think I posted it in here) and ****ed it up because I was not patient. Its really not that hard though


edit: it is great for getting a custom size. for rays why dont you just build an indoor pond? its probably cheaper and honestly a better option

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Personally I'd say said article is quite the funny story, (I didn't even look at it till now) because most of the time from my understanding, you don't want much of anything on the floor of the tank other than some sand or really small smooth rocks, and shes talking about moderate aquascaping.

However, if the tank is only 12-16" deep (water depth, not front to back) and is 230 gallons, then you've got a decent bit of room for the ray.

I would not purchase a ray unless I set up one of those 15 or 17ft intex pools that a lot of MFK people use for big cats.
Yeah, the article was pretty interesting

I think the ray is far from my means, but no worries. There are TONS of other oddballs out there

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Yes. It is severely undersized for any of them.
I surely thought so. My local specialty store has ONE juvenile arrowana in a 500+ gallon tank. They are in the process of building a 1000+ gallon tank for it.

I've been searching DC craigslist and I've found some pretty cool stuff.

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/m...595534424.html
http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org...551268612.html
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assuming a silver arow? aussi arow requirements are a little different. not sure about africans but ive never actually seen one of those in person (filter feeder...ill pass).


we have the jardini in a 200 gal right now but he is a little over a foot long atm. i think its going to get a pond once it gets bigger.



edit: mother of god that first tank needs a cleaning. also, if you are looking into that salt water set up id check and make sure you can keep lion fish in your area. i think they are banned in florida and a few other states as they have been decimating local wild life

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Yeah, silver arow (sorry about that).

Both tanks need work, but they are good prices and I'm good at cutting the price down. The freshwater tank I posted was put up today, so I contacted the seller to express interest. The way I figure it, I could get that tank (including truck rental) for $600. That would be a pretty good deal. I'm tempted to turn that into a salt tank, though, and buy a 120 for my current kids.

Lionfish are sold locally, so I assume its fine. Delaware doesn't have any wildlife restrictions that I know of because our climate kills most tropical animals.
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snake heads are still banned!


seriously pisses me off too...so dumb. i love those ugly ****ers
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haha...adorable
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you can definitely get legal asian arows in the US. its just a really huge pain in the ***. i believe you can legally obtain microchipped captive bread asian arows in the US as of a year or 2 ago through the proper channels.

edit: the chipped ones are still banned too, for some reason. you can obtain with a research permit, though (have fun)


edit: rays require pretty strict water requirements, kind of like puffers (iirc). puffers are also supposed to be real hard to keep but ive kept multiple species and i find them pretty easy
The only way you can get an Asian is with a breeding or a research permit. As far as I know, nobody has gotten a breeding permit.
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I know someone who applied for one.

He didn't get it.


And after reading the law in deleware I would be ****ED.
No non native reptile species without a permit.
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And after reading the law in deleware I would be ****ED.
No non native reptile species without a permit.
No endangered animals.
Petsmart, right down the street, sells chameleons. I really doubt they are an indigenous species, same with any of the other reptiles they have.
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Petsmart, right down the street, sells chameleons. I really doubt they are an indigenous species, same with any of the other reptiles they have.
Ya, obviously the law isn't being enforced but I'm still not risking it.
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I, honestly, wouldn't worry about it. It's not like fish and game does random House checks.

None of the fish I'm getting or have are endangered. I doubt I could even find some that were.
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Ya but when I'm possibly running afoul of the law by my current reading I don't want to risk it.
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I'm surprised the laws aren't worse in California. All rays are illegal to own, morrays too if I'm not mistaken.
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(A) Family Carcharhinidae - Requiem Sharks All species of genus Carcharhinus (Freshwater sharks) (D). (B) Family Potamotrygonidae - River stingrays All species (D).

So those are the only ones that need permits.
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Weird. I guess that's what you get when you get info from the Internet.

I just to by what the local specialty store tells me. They are pros, so I trust their word.
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