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Old 09-09-2012, 03:00 PM #1261
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What do you mean by less time? Less time spent cycling? I wouldn't recommend skimping on the cycling time.

If you do a nano and have the space, you can use a sump to increase the total water volume of the system and have more filtration at the same time.
Time investment total. I've been keeping aquariums since I was 10, I'm not interested in half-assing, what I'm asking is if it would be 'easier,' as it were, to keep a larger tank than a smaller tank.
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:02 PM #1262
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Nanos are overall easier and less time consuming
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:07 PM #1263
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Fair enough. Water changes I don't mind a bit. Keeping the 200 gallon running properly was outrageous.
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I'd highly suggest an ATO on a nano.
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Yeah with more equipment come more headaches. I had a 28 Biocube that was pretty simple.
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:13 PM #1266
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You can also look on here for some inspiration and advice:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=75
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Excellent, thank you guys so much. I'm stoked to get back into the saltwater scene.
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Nano-reef is good as well.

I personally prefer nano-reef, but RC is like the pbn of reef forums.
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I have a 60 gallon, I believe it's considered a high.

48 x 12 x 24.

http://m.petsmart.com/mt/www.petsmar...ductId=3804465

Was on sale so I copped.
a red tail in there is fine, i would not buy my fish from petsmart though (bad quality, miss labeled fish, diseases, etc). only one for the tank though, they are territorial and very aggressive toward their own species. Barbs, smaller loach species, some tetra species (ie not exodons or anything like that) will all do fine with them. also, if you really like the fish and think it is a good idea to get another kind of 'shark' down the road...dont. most fish labeled sharks are really bad in aquarium and get HUGE (mainly iridescents).

these are iridescent sharks, about half size (they get around 4 foot). if i had a dime for every time i have seen small ones at pet stores i would be a rich *** man. personally i would not mind seeing these banned in the states w/o a special licence (same w/ pacu, arowana, aripima, red tailed cats, tsn's and some pleco species). the tank the ones in the video are in is probably too small, actually


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I have an iridescent shark that i have moved to a larger tank on 3 occasions so he could be housed comfortably. I've also lined up a 1000 gallon pond for him to move into when the time comes that i can no longer house him. I do agree with you that these are fish that most people shouldn't ever get. I've certainly gone out of my way to make sure he can live a reasonable life.
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a red tail in there is fine, i would not buy my fish from petsmart though (bad quality, miss labeled fish, diseases, etc). only one for the tank though, they are territorial and very aggressive toward their own species. Barbs, smaller loach species, some tetra species (ie not exodons or anything like that) will all do fine with them. also, if you really like the fish and think it is a good idea to get another kind of 'shark' down the road...dont. most fish labeled sharks are really bad in aquarium and get HUGE (mainly iridescents).

these are iridescent sharks, about half size (they get around 4 foot). if i had a dime for every time i have seen small ones at pet stores i would be a rich *** man. personally i would not mind seeing these banned in the states w/o a special licence (same w/ pacu, arowana, aripima, red tailed cats, tsn's and some pleco species). the tank the ones in the video are in is probably too small, actually

sweet!

i actually just picked up a 75 gallon long, so that gives me a little extra room.

i'm thinking my red tail black shark will be housed with the following in said tank:

red tail black shark (1)
false julii cory cat (6)
glofish (12)
loricaria sucker cat (1)
odessa barb (6)
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Which kind of Loricaria?
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:40 PM #1273
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Which kind of Loricaria?
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...986&pcatid=986

also, for some reason, i really have a thing for this gravel http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...ductId=3577442

i'm just worried there will be issues with my live plants. should i put down a layer of sand or other substrate before adding the gravel?
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you would be mixing tropical fish with temperate/cold water fish. goldfish would be fine in there but i would not mix them regardless. for one goldfish are messy as all hell so you would need to bump up your filtration. keep in mind they can get pretty large (sub species dependent, assuming you are getting comets or something). if you REALLY want gold fish i would go no more than 4-5 in that tank unless you go fancy (they stay smaller) or have it over-filtered to all hell. if you put those other fish in with them chances are they will die pretty quickly from the toxins goldfish dump into the water.

you can also definitely put a lot more biomass in that tank as long as you keep the filtration up. i would personally go with more small schooling fish like maybe 8 cardinal/neon tetras, rasboras (harlaquin, stay away from galaxy/celestrial, super new species to the hobby and people are still having trouble keeping them), white cloud minnows, stuff like that.





edit: that gravel is so gnarly lol. if i do gravel i go natural color or black.

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you would be mixing tropical fish with temperate/cold water fish. goldfish would be fine in there but i would not mix them regardless. for one goldfish are messy as all hell so you would need to bump up your filtration. keep in mind they can get pretty large (sub species dependent, assuming you are getting comets or something). if you REALLY want gold fish i would go no more than 4-5 in that tank unless you go fancy (they stay smaller) or have it over-filtered to all hell. if you put those other fish in with them chances are they will die pretty quickly from the toxins goldfish dump into the water.

you can also definitely put a lot more biomass in that tank as long as you keep the filtration up. i would personally go with more small schooling fish like maybe 8 cardinal/neon tetras, rasboras (harlaquin, stay away from galaxy/celestrial, super new species to the hobby and people are still having trouble keeping them), white cloud minnows, stuff like that.





edit: that gravel is so gnarly lol. if i do gravel i go natural color or black.
You might want to reread that. He said Glofish, not goldfish. I had to read it a couple of times because I was thinking the same thing.

JC, try looking around this site for some ideas:

http://www.plantedtank.net/
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oh well in that case he is find. glofish i just danio's and that is like the easiest fish to keep ever




speaking of planted tanks, one of my blue rams died no idea what happened, he was completely fine and looked perfectly healthy this morning. i thought i was going to be getting some fry soon...guess not
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decided i don't want to deal with aggressive natured fish.

final stock list hopefully.

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that is not bad but you have like a million dither fish and then 7 bottom dwellers. you might want to vary it a little (well, i guess most of those tetra species will occupy the mid level of the tank). ill make some other fish recommendations tomorrow for food for thought. i would get the whole tank set up and cycled before you do your stock list. it will give you a little more perspective as to what would look good in there

just some other fish types to look at that you are missing out on:

rainbows (i have a bunch of Praecox Rainbow fish in my 20gal planted and looove them)
rasboras
dwarf cichlids
gourami
angels
loaches
barbs
live bearers


also, what are you using for filtration?

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that is not bad but you have like a million dither fish and then 7 bottom dwellers. you might want to vary it a little (well, i guess most of those tetra species will occupy the mid level of the tank). ill make some other fish recommendations tomorrow for food for thought. i would get the whole tank set up and cycled before you do your stock list. it will give you a little more perspective as to what would look good in there

just some other fish types to look at that you are missing out on:

rainbows (i have a bunch of Praecox Rainbow fish in my 20gal planted and looove them)
rasboras
dwarf cichlids
gourami
angels
loaches
barbs
live bearers


also, what are you using for filtration?
I wouldn't put any Gouramis in there as they have "feelers" that will get nipped off by the Tetras.
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I had a golden gourami years ago that lived for 8 years. It killed every other fish I put in the tank. Other gourami's, danio's, tetras, didn't matter. Thing was a monster lol.

My theory is it lived so long (bearing in mind it was a petsmart fish) because it fed on the souls of the fish it killed.
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I wouldn't put any Gouramis in there as they have "feelers" that will get nipped off by the Tetras.
ive kept dwarf gourami with tetras on multiple occasions and never had an issue. granted my tanks were heavily planted and as far as gourami's go they have tiny little dangles.


badis badis are also pretty bad *** fish in pairs. they are kind of territorial but they are seriously cool.
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