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Old 01-30-2011, 08:55 PM #211
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Nope. Happened to my grandpa when we lived in the ghetto. At least 3 dudes were knocking at the door in the middle of the night, 2 were on each side of the door. Grandpa racked his shotgun, and the dudes ran off.
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Old 01-30-2011, 08:57 PM #212
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I have a Taurus Judge loaded with alternating .410 buckshot and .45 longs for HD.

I'm thinking of getting a Saiga 12k shortbarrel. Overboard?
Nope, I was considering getting one, but pump action suits me just fine.
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Of course it is OK for you to pretend whatever you wish. And if it is OK with you, I will continue to think you listen to Bubba at the gunshop too much.
It's not okay with me so stop it right meow. Our local gun shop has thirteen Bubbas, you are going to need to be more specific.
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Old 01-30-2011, 09:45 PM #214
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Of course it is OK for you to pretend whatever you wish. And if it is OK with you, I will continue to think you listen to Bubba at the gunshop too much.
You realize that Kida's done combat tours, right? This has little in common with the home defense situation, however it does give one an idea of the mentality of persons when there is imminent threat of violence, and the actions that people take when they hear (or see) a weapon being readied. In the US, the AK/Ar-15 is not a commonly known noise; the breaking open of a shotgun breach is.

That being said, this is in fact the United States. We are in fact on our own soil, and in a home defense situation we should hopefully each have our knowledge of the interior as an advantage over an intruder. And, with a shotty and 00 buck, you've got a number of individual pellets that go along for the ride, so it's not really a matter of 30 vs 7, it's a matter of 30 vs however many pellets your shotgun holds, in 7 chances.

Anyway, interesting crap on .223 rounds.
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/njpdr...board_test.pdf

But Bubba at the gun store told me all this.
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But he was wrong about GI mags. He based what he said on a sample size of two magazines through a Bushmaster.



In the movies maybe.


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...Fixing drywall is more than I care to do, especially if I can control it. ...
You need to sell your rifle, and just get a fire hose for home defense then.

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Correct, most people want your TV and they want to get it without you knowing, but the sound of the shotgun being pumped from another room is not the first line of defense. Point the gun at them will send the message, not making some noise.
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Forget about that whole "Escalation of Force" pyramid?
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You realize that Kida's done combat tours, right? This has little in common with the home defense situation, however it does give one an idea of the mentality of persons when there is imminent threat of violence, and the actions that people take when they hear (or see) a weapon being readied. In the US, the AK/Ar-15 is not a commonly known noise; the breaking open of a shotgun breach is.

That being said, this is in fact the United States. We are in fact on our own soil, and in a home defense situation we should hopefully each have our knowledge of the interior as an advantage over an intruder. And, with a shotty and 00 buck, you've got a number of individual pellets that go along for the ride, so it's not really a matter of 30 vs 7, it's a matter of 30 vs however many pellets your shotgun holds, in 7 chances.

Anyway, interesting crap on .223 rounds.
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/njpdr...board_test.pdf

But Bubba at the gun store told me all this.
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You realize that Kida's done combat tours, right? This has little in common with the home defense situation, however it does give one an idea of the mentality of persons when there is imminent threat of violence, and the actions that people take when they hear (or see) a weapon being readied. In the US, the AK/Ar-15 is not a commonly known noise; the breaking open of a shotgun breach is.
Seeing combat time has no bearing on whether or not loading a shotgun will deter an criminal in the home who is all amped up. Who knows how the guy inside the house is acting. Hell, he may even have auditory exclusion going on. I understand that it is a universal noise that screams "dont **** with me", but I still think it is foolish to even consider it, but that is not my choice.




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Anyway, interesting crap on .223 rounds.
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/njpdr...board_test.pdf

But Bubba at the gun store told me all this.
Not the ideal ammo, but it is commonly used ammo. The 75gr TAP T2 is the way to go.
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Orionz, quit while you're ahead. Don't make yourself look MORE foolish.
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I dunno, he's already proven that he's incapable of reading, apparently.
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Seems like he's the only one who thinks he's right.
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Can't tell if you're trolling or not, but you're pretty retarded either way. Nothing is going to be better than a 12 gauge loaded with tactical buckshot or a tactical slug (if you want to get nasty). Lower recoil, no penetration. AR/AK for HD is ****ing stupid. Either of those bullets will pass through the intruder and wreck your home, possibly passing into 2 or more rooms.
tactical buckshot and tactical slugs huh?

On another note, I think Orionz has been right about most of what he has said, as well as brought up facts to support some of his claims. The only person that has so far seemed to be foolish in this discussion is you, Mr. Orvis09.
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Seems like he's the only one who thinks he's right.
He must be the twin of you know who.
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He's not without point... but the fact of the matter is that the difference between trained personnel wielding one weapon or another is negligible... and it comes down to a personal choice... so long as either side knows the truth of the matter, and the true pros and cons.
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I got the side by side as my HD weapon that I feed with uhoh buck. Mainly because I forget to get the g17 out of the truck everyday.
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