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Old 12-09-2010, 09:24 PM #85
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That doesn't address my point at all.
Your point is that current-gen consoles have reached their point, no?

That's not the case. Not at all.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:25 PM #86
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I mean seriously, you're just trolling now. Its getting ridiculous.

edit: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Pc-...rli,11714.html

The Crysis 2 devs are obviously just trolling all of us right?
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You also have to take into consideration how the Xbox is also holding the PS3 back when it comes to multiplatform games.

No, I'm not a fanboy, I don't even own a PS3. But it does raise concern that developers are having to limit a games potential because one console can't handle what the rest can. And yeah, the games will still look better on the PS3, but that's a far cry from them being designed from the ground up to take advantage of the full potential of the system, which has far more headroom than the 360.
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The devs say themselves they're being held back because of hardware limitations. Why is it wrong for me to want to axe these limitations so that they can create a better product that I can consume?

We're not saying we want consoles to go away, we just want to bring them into the next gen.
This is what you and Komodo aren't understanding though. PC's are more powerful than consoles, that's not debatable. They're more powerful because they evolve all the time. Consoles cannot do this. Releasing a new "generation" console every other year for 300 dollars is a stupid ****ing business plan and there's a reason it isn't being done. Consoles are not meant to compete with PC's in terms of power.

PC gaming has been ahead of consoles for some in time pretty much every department except motion control now. Developers have known this. However, recently, PC gaming has become MUCH less lucrative than it once was. This puts developers who want to technologically push the bar into a pickle. They can risk a lot of money and time and make a new PC exclusive that raises the technological bar, or they can tone the game down and develop it for consoles. Most gravitate toward the latter plan because it's much more secure. Crytek even states that piracy is what forced them to develop Crysis 2 on the consoles. Had piracy not been able to exist, then Crysis 2 would have been on the PC and would have raised the bar for graphics. Why should consoles force their costumers to spend more money on consoles over the course of a certain number of years just to please people like you and Komodo. A HUGE facet of console gaming is the affordability, why the **** would a business like Microsoft or Sony rid of that so that gaming can progress at a faster pace.

You should be more worried about PC gaming fading into the shadows instead of Crytek crying about a decision they ****ing made.


And Komodo; I'm the opposite of you oddly enough. I only play PC games. I own a 360 that collects dust under my bed and a PS3 that's a nice blu-ray player.

I'm glad to see Treg posting in here, he's someone who has stupid amounts of tech knowledge. Maybe he can shed some real light into this debate.

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Cytek =/= all developers. This is their first attack at programming for consoles. They don't have the limitless power they did before. They don't have the ability to hope and/or coordinate with GPU developers for a new GPU to be delivered, finally capable of running the game at a stable 30fps, (if your computer is already top of the line) after the game actually comes out.

Go talk to Naughty Dawg. Go talk to Guerilla Games. Go talk to Polyphony Digital. Go talk to the Unreal team. Go talk to Media Molecule. Ask them how they feel about consoles.
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We're not asking for every year release, just every 5 years like the industry standard is.
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Cytek =/= all developers. This is their first attack at programming for consoles. They don't have the limitless power they did before. They don't have the ability to hope and/or coordinate with GPU developers for a new GPU to be delivered, finally capable of running the game at a stable 30fps, (if your computer is already top of the line) after the game actually comes out.

Go talk to Naughty Dawg. Go talk to Guerilla Games. Go talk to Polyphony Digital. Go talk to the Unreal team. Go talk to Media Molecule. Ask them how they feel about consoles.
What about the BF devs? They've blatantly said they had to scale back both map size, content, and player counts because of the 360's limitation.
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We're not asking for every year release, just every 5 years like the industry standard is.
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I've always been for consoles. More than I've been for PC's. The problem is that while consoles are making that push to be the sole gaming commodity on the market, they're still falling behind in areas that PC's have been able to handle for YEARS, regardless of power disputes.

I'm all for consoles owning the gaming market. I'd rather not have to deal with the hassle of PC's in order to have the power-house games. What needs to be done is for consoles to find ways of getting past their limited barriers in order to take over the market, rather than forcing people to settle for less, or become the fodder for PC gamer's elitism.
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Consoles have already taken over the market. Hence ltk being ***-pained that Battlefield wasn't everything he hoped it to be.

And I fail to see how console gamers settle for less. They're paying less money for a less powerful product, that sounds pretty standard across all industries to me.
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Yeah. The target date of 10 years is just ridiculous IMO. The 360's gfx card is the equivalent of a Radeon x1900...time to upgrade
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Sony is the one doing the decade per console thing, are they not?
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What about the BF devs? They've blatantly said they had to scale back both map size, content, and player counts because of the 360's limitation.
Notable for their gameplay, not their tech.

Player count is because of console's network bandwidth limitations, not because of spec limitations. PS3 users get to enjoy 64 players in the game... the same number available for PC users.

Content is due to using a DVD and not having Blu-Ray available. Again, another problem that would be alleviated with a PS3.

The one and only problem with current-gen consoles is lack of RAM. That is, by large, the toughest area for programmers to prioritize and utilize correctly on consoles.


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What needs to be done is for consoles to find ways of getting past their limited barriers in order to take over the market, rather than forcing people to settle for less, or become the fodder for PC gamer's elitism.
What limited barriers? I'm not settling for less with my PS3. Hell, I've played more top-notch games on consoles over the past 5 years than I have games on PC. And it cost me less!
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So, you agree with me. The 360 is holding us back.
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What limited barriers? I'm not settling for less with my PS3. Hell, I've played more top-notch games on consoles over the past 5 years than I have games on PC. And it cost me less!
I know you're all petty tired of me using BF as an example, but you're settling for less in that regards because its being held back by an inferior console. You even said so yourself.
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So, you agree with me. The 360 is holding us back.
I would say the only limitation there is map size. That's it. And, with proper programming, can be overcome (let us revisit Just Cause 2 and GTAIV).

But any good game that's out on 360 can also be played on PC. There's really no need for one. That's why I sold mine a long time ago

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I know you're all petty tired of me using BF as an example, but you're settling for less in that regards because its being held back by an inferior console. You even said so yourself.
I'm not. I own a current-gen console that continues to impress and grow, mostly thanks to great development teams. Not to mention, I've been very disappointed with all of the recent BF games, so I really don't care. But that's not adding anything to my point
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I'm not. I own a current-gen console that continues to impress and grow, mostly thanks to great development teams. Not to mention, I've been very disappointed with all of the recent BF games, so I really don't care. But that's not adding anything to my point
Now you're contradicting yourself
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idgaf about new games. i still play the first red alert, age of empires, and civilization 3. love the 1st halo the most. counter strike source kicks ***... i can go on and on and on.
All of which were new games at some point.

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Now you're contradicting yourself
How so?
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Sony is the one doing the decade per console thing, are they not?
Microsoft has stated that they plan on the 360 having a 10 year life span, but I think they're going to cut it short. We might see a new console within the next 2 years.
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How so?
Well in terms of BF the PS3 is capable of large scale maps and player counts but doesn't get them because the 360 can't handle it. (although I heard they might for BF3)
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Microsoft has stated that they plan on the 360 having a 10 year life span, but I think they're going to cut it short. We might see a new console within the next 2 years.
10-year life span doesn't mean they come out with a console after 10 years. It means they support that console for 10 years, a la PS2. The PS2 has been given continuing support and development even after the PS3 was released. In fact, every company has done this with the exception of MS, which had to cut their failed black brick off to focus on something that would (and did) succeed.
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