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Old 12-07-2010, 07:28 PM #1
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dm6 regulator

sry for the super noob question guys, but i have a dm6 that i got last week, and it has a cp regulator, i guess this is a 3 part question.

1. why is my cp regulator +/- 10 while my empire reg is +/- 5

2. does the dm series have proprietary regulator threading, because the empire regulator that fits on my g3 doesn't fit on my dm6, i don't want to force it on, but it's not slipping on smoothly and i don't want to muscle it in there

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this is my empire regulator, idk if any of you know which one this is, i know it's not the E-reg, but i looked around to try to find the shim stack order because when i took it apart i failed to note what the order was, and i'm pretty sure i put it in wrong. so please if you have this or know the name of this regulator let me know so i can find the shim stack order.

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Old 12-07-2010, 07:49 PM #2
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1. why is my cp regulator +/- 10 while my empire reg is +/- 5
I would assume your Empire reg is more consistent than your CP reg... did you use the same batch of paint when testing? have you serviced your CP reg? did you reassembled the regs together correctly?

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2. does the dm series have proprietary regulator threading, because the empire regulator that fits on my g3 doesn't fit on my dm6, i don't want to force it on, but it's not slipping on smoothly and i don't want to muscle it in there
For any of the DMs before DM8 are all standard ASA size fitting. meaning most general regulators should fit in there. You might have some dirt on the thread, or there maybe a kink on the thread that is causing the catch when you are screwing it in.

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3. this is my empire regulator, idk if any of you know which one this is, i know it's not the E-reg, but i looked around to try to find the shim stack order because when i took it apart i failed to note what the order was, and i'm pretty sure i put it in wrong. so please if you have this or know the name of this regulator let me know so i can find the shim stack order.
Not sure. sorry.
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Old 12-07-2010, 08:00 PM #3
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I would assume your Empire reg is more consistent than your CP reg... did you use the same batch of paint when testing? have you serviced your CP reg? did you reassembled the regs together correctly?


For any of the DMs before DM8 are all standard ASA size fitting. meaning most general regulators should fit in there. You might have some dirt on the thread, or there maybe a kink on the thread that is causing the catch when you are screwing it in.



Not sure. sorry.
you know what's weird, i tried to put my stock g3 regulator on my dm just now, and i had to force it in there, then it got stuck, then i had realy muscle it out of there, but all 3 regs fit inside the asa threads, i screwed them into my asa and they all fit in perfectly. and my cp reg fits in my g3... is there something wrong with my dm6 threads??
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Old 12-08-2010, 03:27 PM #4
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Possibly.. That would be extremely unforutnate if that were the case as theyre built into the body.

As for the CP consistancy question. It could be that your CP reg is not as broken in as the Empire. +/- 10 seems pretty bad though. Maybe take it apart (note the shim stack) clean it check o-rings and lube it.
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Old 12-08-2010, 04:08 PM #5
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sry for the super noob question guys, but i have a dm6 that i got last week, and it has a cp regulator, i guess this is a 3 part question.

1. why is my cp regulator +/- 10 while my empire reg is +/- 5

2. does the dm series have proprietary regulator threading, because the empire regulator that fits on my g3 doesn't fit on my dm6, i don't want to force it on, but it's not slipping on smoothly and i don't want to muscle it in there

3.
this is my empire regulator, idk if any of you know which one this is, i know it's not the E-reg, but i looked around to try to find the shim stack order because when i took it apart i failed to note what the order was, and i'm pretty sure i put it in wrong. so please if you have this or know the name of this regulator let me know so i can find the shim stack order.

THANKS in advance
dont blame it all on the reg.
what kind of paint are you shooting
have you properly tuned the gun
dwell and lpr?
clean the lpr and set the dwell to 18 and try tuning the gun.
clean the bolt too
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Old 12-08-2010, 05:34 PM #6
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dont blame it all on the reg.
what kind of paint are you shooting
have you properly tuned the gun
dwell and lpr?
clean the lpr and set the dwell to 18 and try tuning the gun.
clean the bolt too
He is right, I had a cp reg that shot consistent....Could be any of the things listed above that are making the reg inconsistent. Since you say the empire reg is more consistent it was on another gun since part of your problem is that it wont fit on your DM.
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if you are having a problem with the reg, try emailing paintball solutions, empire's tech branch at tech@paintballsolutions.com. i would think they could point you in the right direction.

as for the consistency, like others have said, if one reg is more broken in then another, among other things, it can be more consistent. regardless, a clean, well serviced reg will work better then one that is not. i have had very good results from CP regs.

you shouldn't have to force the reg on the body. something seems to be causing a problem. make sure the body is free of gunk before screwing on the reg
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Old 12-08-2010, 06:54 PM #8
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He is right, I had a cp reg that shot consistent....Could be any of the things listed above that are making the reg inconsistent. Since you say the empire reg is more consistent it was on another gun since part of your problem is that it wont fit on your DM.
yeah lol not doubting the empire reg as ive never used one but id say a cp would be better,
also its not fair for the OP to compare consistency of regs between to separate guns. THe consistency issues i think have more or less to do with bad tuning more than bad reg, unless its a fake CP reg he has
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:55 PM #9
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so i figured out the problem with reg consistency, i was missing a shim, but i took a shim out of the empire reg and put it in the cp reg since they were exactly the same, but i don't have dow 55 to lube up the reg so i just used dye slick lube. probably not the best idea but it's all i have, how exactly should i service the reg? clean the shims and relube the shims? or just clean the shims and relube the o rings and leave the shims dry??
i also called dye and they said my body needs re-tracing, i don't know exactly how they do that, but it should fix the problem, i saw my threads and they look pretty dang worn.
still debating weather i should go and re-trace the threads now while i'm not having any major issues, or wait till something bad happens? i'm afraid something will go wrong in the re-tracing process

thanks for all the replys btw
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Old 12-09-2010, 04:26 AM #10
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so i figured out the problem with reg consistency, i was missing a shim, but i took a shim out of the empire reg and put it in the cp reg since they were exactly the same, but i don't have dow 55 to lube up the reg so i just used dye slick lube. probably not the best idea but it's all i have, how exactly should i service the reg? clean the shims and relube the shims? or just clean the shims and relube the o rings and leave the shims dry??
i also called dye and they said my body needs re-tracing, i don't know exactly how they do that, but it should fix the problem, i saw my threads and they look pretty dang worn.
still debating weather i should go and re-trace the threads now while i'm not having any major issues, or wait till something bad happens? i'm afraid something will go wrong in the re-tracing process

thanks for all the replys btw
personally i wouldnt do it, the gun really isnt worth the labor cost especially if the cp reg works fine now, and you dont have to use dow 55 for regs.
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Old 12-09-2010, 06:11 PM #11
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The threading is the standard threads. Have you serviced both of the regulators correctly? Make sure you shim stack on the CP is lined up correctly.

or.

Was it the same paint through out all of the testing, any of it dis formed? Different temperatures? Bore size? LPR setting? Dwell?

Make sure you do a full service maintenance on the gun, you might not have everything lubed correctly.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:45 PM #12
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I have come across this before.

Your DM will not accept certain regs, sorry. There is no way of getting it to work.

Me: Wanted to see what a cp reg looked like on my pm7, cp reg would not screw in, just like yours. For ****s and giggles brought the marker to my shop. He took the cp reg and saw it would not fit, then took that same cp reg and screwed it into an ego, hmmm..... then took the ego reg and it screwed right into my pm7. So an ego reg and the hyper would work, but not the cp.

it has to do with tolerances, the DYE/Proto are very very close and the other regs might be a little loose because it's made to work with a variety of markers.....
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:51 PM #13
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I have come across this before.

Your DM will not accept certain regs, sorry. There is no way of getting it to work.

Me: Wanted to see what a cp reg looked like on my pm7, cp reg would not screw in, just like yours. For ****s and giggles brought the marker to my shop. He took the cp reg and saw it would not fit, then took that same cp reg and screwed it into an ego, hmmm..... then took the ego reg and it screwed right into my pm7. So an ego reg and the hyper would work, but not the cp.

it has to do with tolerances, the DYE/Proto are very very close and the other regs might be a little loose because it's made to work with a variety of markers.....
hmmm sounds interesting, i hope that you're right lol. cuz it's realy bothering me why i can't screw it in there. i fixed the inconsistency problem. and i have a 100x oring kit now lol thanks to an industrial website i found on this forum.
idk about the other guy who said the gun isn't worth the labor cost, i disagree, this guy is worth 300-350 i kinda want to spend the 50 to get the threads re traced if it extends the life of the marker, if this thing crapped out on me i'd be extra angry
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:27 PM #14
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I am right, and my store owner was confused as well

Go with a hyper 3 (standard threading) and call it a day.
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