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Old 11-03-2010, 12:31 PM #1
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dwell

just thought id see what everyone is running their dwells at at current just out of interest.

i got a V2 with ups ( lp poppets, light weight rammer, xbolt)

put about 30/40 box's through it and im running my dwell at 7


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Old 11-03-2010, 12:42 PM #2
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Damn. 7, wow!!! Impressive!!! No problem with shootdown or anything?
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Old 11-03-2010, 01:09 PM #3
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nah man i had my dwell at 11 and i noticed alot of kick took the whole gun apart. gave it a super clean and turned the dwell down to 7 aird, chronoed at about 278 then slightly adjusted the hpr then 298 302 296 299 289 and its running nice. next time i get a chance il put a little vid up
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Old 11-03-2010, 01:25 PM #4
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I still prefer keeping my gun dwell at 10. It shoots damn good.
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:26 PM #5
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On the other side of the POnd you maybe able to get away with 7ms on the dwell here, the Lowest I have been able to get was 8.2 with out it capping out on me. I also change dwell to where I am traveling too.
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:41 PM #6
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Ive have mine at 9.5 with no problems
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:14 PM #7
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Ya it all depends on the altitude and average daily pressure in your location. Still 7 is pretty low. It'll come back to haunt you at some point lol.
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:33 PM #8
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:46 PM #9
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I run mine at 9.5 right now. The lowest I have gone is 8.5. But 9.5 seems right.
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Old 11-04-2010, 05:02 AM #10
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Got mine at 6.5, even Martin was shocked at Vanguard HQ.

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Old 11-04-2010, 08:15 AM #11
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Hater sauce is a no/no, Hater sauce does not liquify like the oil and vasoline. Which will not lubricate the moving parts as needed. Also it will get into the passages, noid and gum them up.
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:48 AM #12
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Hater sauce is a no/no, Hater sauce does not liquify like the oil and vasoline. Which will not lubricate the moving parts as needed. Also it will get into the passages, noid and gum them up.

I dissagree, both Martin and Jason witnessed the hatered up gun shoot fine, i have been useing hater for the past 10 months with no problems what so ever. Jason and i also tested a creed lubed with hater sauce which had been put into and industrial oven at a high temp, the gun remained lubed and shot aswell as it should do over a chrono.

I have never had to replace my noid due to it being gummed up, but i can see how it can happen if too much lube is used.
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:09 AM #13
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I remember when you were at the shop showing them the hater sauce when I was on the phone.

I wish I took pictures of te markers I have had through the warranty center with Hater sauce. That destroyed more than 5 markers. Due to the hater drying up into green booger like crud through the entire markers in return destroying the valve and noid. I'm sure with a well maintained marker the hater may or maynot be ok. But for most people who do not maintain their equipment it has not turned out the best for them. So from that stand point It has not proven to be the best performing lube. And I would not recommend it to our customers to use.

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Old 11-04-2010, 11:18 AM #14
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Hi Eric,

I do tend to be the kind of person who strips and cleans my Creed on a regular basis, so i have never had an issue when useing hater sauce, i do lube lightly which may explaine why i have never had problems.
Also the markers that have been lubed with hater are used weekly and are never left unused for more than 7 days which also may indicate why i have seen or had problem?

The UK weather is now getting colder which may have an adverse affect on my creed, time will tell.

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Old 11-04-2010, 03:51 PM #15
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I've had awsome results with good old slick honey in my gun. I find the rammer runs smoother with the SH than oil. Not sure why. Anyway, I also use very little. Barely enough to keep the rammer wet.

Oil is the best way to go if you are lazy though. At the worst it will dry up and not cause any damage.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:30 PM #16
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The problem using grease in the marker, and I don't care how well/many times you clean it, it will get into unserviceable areas (Solenoid) and retain debris which will eventually loosen/foul something up and make it's way into the solenoid.

I'm not saying grease won't make it shoot smoother, I use "minute" amounts of Slick Honey on my GEO. What I'm saying is grease applied improperly will with out doubt foul something up. Hater Sauce especially due to the low viscosity.

I've rebuilt a half dozen Creeds with the owner saying it just stopped shooting. Upon taking it apart and replacing almost every o-ring, I find Hater Sauce and Sleek Lube with sand and dirt in all the areas the owner didn't think to clean!

There is no mistaking Hater sauce.
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Old 11-04-2010, 05:21 PM #17
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I dissagree, both Martin and Jason witnessed the hatered up gun shoot fine, i have been useing hater for the past 10 months with no problems what so ever. Jason and i also tested a creed lubed with hater sauce which had been put into and industrial oven at a high temp, the gun remained lubed and shot aswell as it should do over a chrono.

I have never had to replace my noid due to it being gummed up, but i can see how it can happen if too much lube is used.
what the people above me are describing occurs when the lube blows places it shouldnt then dries there. Your oven test did not duplicate this condition and should not be used to indicate that this is ok. You would need to lube with hater sauce, shoot a few cases and put the gun in a freezer or fridge to allow the lube to harden. THen see how it shoots after a fresh relube.. I dont think you'll be impressed. And this test mimics what will happen over time if lube is used instead of oil
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Old 11-04-2010, 05:59 PM #18
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This has been one of the best lubes I have ever used on my creed. I have not found a better prouduct out their that reduces friction,break downs or schafing. Oh and I can run my dwell at 2.5ms with this.


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Old 11-04-2010, 06:05 PM #19
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Hey, that tube looks familiar!!!

EDIT: NO, IT DOESN'T!!! DISREGARD THAT... =\
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Old 11-04-2010, 06:07 PM #20
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Exactly what will be needed when they get the bill instead of the warranty!
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Old 11-04-2010, 06:10 PM #21
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