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Old 10-06-2010, 11:23 PM #1
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What do you consider "consistent"

Reading through the different threads on tuning. And In my own marker, I realized I tuned it back to stock settings. (Dwell at 18, HPR to velocity, And LPR at 2.5 turns out). But I switched over to the new Violent PB Jelly.

I was tuning my marker at home, freshly lubed and dry fired to get excess lube out, sans barrel. Originally I was shooting at about 270 +/- 5 with the odd hot/low shot, Dwell still at 18, and the LPR at 2 turns out. Shot a stream and it was a bit of drop off and had some real crazy hooks and spins. This was Diablo paint from about a month ago, a little dimpled but shot decent.

Brought out my back-up marker (Etek 3) with the same batch of paint and shot at the same FPS. No drop off and not as many hooks and spins.

So brought the DM9 back out, still shooting the same batch of paint got the same results as the last time. Turned it out another 1/4 turn and it was still consistent +/- 5 with still some drop-off with some hooks and spins. Turned it another 1/4 turn and I was getting a good, smooth, consistent stream. Just to note, after I turned the LPR each time, I did 3 clearing shots.

There was a bit of "kick" but I'm not sure if I would call it that. The barrel did rise a little, i do mean a little bit, but I guess that's just physics.

Now from some videos on LPR tuning on youtube +/- 5 is a good sign to see consistency, supposedly some DM shooters here and other PB forums have gone +/- 2. Some players I met at the field consider +/- 8-10 okay due to the field paint being ****ty.

Now I ask is this just one of those enigmas in tuning? Am I one of the few DM shooters that have a gun that shoots well at the stock settings? What are your guidelines as far as FPS consistency? And is there a general rule of consistency?

*I was shooting a tree about 30 feet away.
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Old 10-06-2010, 11:35 PM #2
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for me to gauge my consistency... I would accept a range of 285-295fps as consistent (Think of it as 290 +-5 fps) with the occasional odd spike or drop off due to various ball sizes...

Stock setting in my opinion should be the bench mark for your marker to be able to work flawlessly... even though it might not feel as good, but it should work all the time. However, I have mentioned before that I have shot DMs that has ALOT of paint through it, and it shoots great in stock setting. But with every marker being different, each will have it's own sweet spot.

Once, I had my DM9's dwell set at 21, and LPR down as low as it could go... and it was still had a harder kick than my friend's DM9 at stock setting. After doing a quick trouble shooting, I found that my HPR was set at 185psi, while his was set to 145psi. Both of us were shooting at 290fps. This was fixed by checking and changing the orings on the Can, Top hat or Bolt sail... as these orings can swell and still look like it is in good condition.
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Old 10-07-2010, 05:09 PM #3
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With my DM8 I usually shoot 270fps +/-2 even with practice paint.
When I got my DM I fully cleaned everything and properly lubed my HPR and LPR and I keep them clean and lubed as needed. Also the first thing I did was remove all the orings that were in the gun and with a 10x oring rebuild kit I replaced each oring with one that fit the best. After that I haven't changed any orings since and just let them get broken in. This lead to extremely smooth and consistent shots.
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Old 10-07-2010, 05:43 PM #4
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i consider consistent to be +/- about 5.

If your getting inconstency and drop off, consider raising the dwell.
the inconsistency may be caused by too much lube, or a lube that is thicker than others.

also, if your putting to much lube on the gun, it can blow through the bolt onto the ball leading to crazy hooks and spins like you mentioned.
you only need a thin layer of lube on the friction points, like orings and where they slide on the bolt.

and if your lube is thicker, you need even less.

i have a DM4 and run it with a dwell around 23-27, using sleek, witht he lpr turned about 2 turns out.
shoots super smooth, and super consistent.
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:02 PM #5
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i consider consistent to be +/- about 5.

If your getting inconstency and drop off, consider raising the dwell.
the inconsistency may be caused by too much lube, or a lube that is thicker than others.

also, if your putting to much lube on the gun, it can blow through the bolt onto the ball leading to crazy hooks and spins like you mentioned.
you only need a thin layer of lube on the friction points, like orings and where they slide on the bolt.

and if your lube is thicker, you need even less.

i have a DM4 and run it with a dwell around 23-27, using sleek, witht he lpr turned about 2 turns out.
shoots super smooth, and super consistent.
I was thinking I was applying too much lube, but after I lube it I move the bolt around as well as dry fire the gun minus the barrel to make sure it doesn't happen.

Shot the DM again just to make sure, and I didn't see any remnants of lube down the barrel.

The gun is pretty much at stock settings. And I still feel there is some drop-off. I'll relube my regs and up the dwell and see how it goes.

It seems the magic dwell number is 21 for the smoothest shot, so I'll set it to that.

DM's are a definite labor of love. Cheers guys.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:21 AM #6
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i consider consistent to be +/- about 5.

If your getting inconstency and drop off, consider raising the dwell.
the inconsistency may be caused by too much lube, or a lube that is thicker than others.

also, if your putting to much lube on the gun, it can blow through the bolt onto the ball leading to crazy hooks and spins like you mentioned.
you only need a thin layer of lube on the friction points, like orings and where they slide on the bolt.

and if your lube is thicker, you need even less.

i have a DM4 and run it with a dwell around 23-27, using sleek, witht he lpr turned about 2 turns out.
shoots super smooth, and super consistent.
agreed
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Old 10-08-2010, 01:30 PM #7
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dont forget the battery, lol make sure its good...

besides raising the dwell and all that stuff, the soleniod has a button on it you can press that helps break up any lube or debris that were shot through the soleniod itself, might help alittle. its kinda just a test button to make sure the spool moves I think, but it might help.
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You could also service your solenoid if it's really dirty or giving you any problems.
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Old 10-08-2010, 02:52 PM #9
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those hooks and spins were caused by paint not by your gun. I usually use reballs to tune. just take in mind the velocity is gonna be a little lower with regular paint.
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Old 10-08-2010, 05:54 PM #10
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Took your guys advice. HPR to 270, LPR at 2.25 turns, dwell at 19 and consistency +/- 4. And best is there's no drop off. All of this with practice paint!

Cleaned the regs, and shoots like a dream. Thanks for all your knowledge guys!
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i consider consistent to be +/- about 5.

If your getting inconstency and drop off, consider raising the dwell.
the inconsistency may be caused by too much lube, or a lube that is thicker than others.

also, if your putting to much lube on the gun, it can blow through the bolt onto the ball leading to crazy hooks and spins like you mentioned.
you only need a thin layer of lube on the friction points, like orings and where they slide on the bolt.

and if your lube is thicker, you need even less.

i have a DM4 and run it with a dwell around 23-27, using sleek, witht he lpr turned about 2 turns out.
shoots super smooth, and super consistent.
yea i run a dm4 with slick honey, lpr around 1 turn or less (doesnt even get close to breaking paint lol) and the dwell around 23 or so, (orange bolt) an i can get a couple of perfect consecutive shots of out of it and +-2 with good paint.
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Old 10-08-2010, 11:00 PM #13
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Glad to hear you got it figured out. Most guns shoot bad because they haven't been taken care of properly.
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Old 10-09-2010, 01:41 AM #15
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I did my best to not be that guy and tune my gun, but I actually see that it's sometimes necessary and very irresistible.

But yeah, i'm gonna buy another case to double check and fine tune it. But raising the dwell +1 really made a lot of difference.
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