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Old 11-29-2010, 07:25 PM #211
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Awesome show. I rank it on the second tier of shows that I follow after some of the masterpieces on HBO.

Whats the deal with the scientific explanation for the zombies? If the story is going to claim that the 'walkers' are biologically dead, and that all their organs are dead and decaying, then by what means do they walk and for what purpose do they need food? It would have made more sense for the show to characterize the zombies as people taken over by a disease that affects their brain. Trying to cast the current explanation in a scientific light doesn't make sense. You obviously need muscles to move, and muscles need oxygen and nutrients, and all your organs need to be functioning properly... a great example of the nonsense is the scene where they decapitate a zombie and then the head is still moving and someone shoots it through the brain with an arrow 'because it has to be the brain'... but scientifically speaking I'm pretty sure that the muscles in the head would have no way of moving for very long without connections to all the organs and the circulatory system, etc.
Its a complete deviation from the story which I hate. Dont read too much into it, hopefully. The comics dont mention anything about a cure or a cause.
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The specimen that they might have been testing could have been of a human and not a zombie. Might explain why he was telling them to go away ?


Haven't read any of the comics (all though I plan on it). This is just completely way out there idea who knows.
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Awesome show. I rank it on the second tier of shows that I follow after some of the masterpieces on HBO.

Whats the deal with the scientific explanation for the zombies? If the story is going to claim that the 'walkers' are biologically dead, and that all their organs are dead and decaying, then by what means do they walk and for what purpose do they need food? It would have made more sense for the show to characterize the zombies as people taken over by a disease that affects their brain. Trying to cast the current explanation in a scientific light doesn't make sense. You obviously need muscles to move, and muscles need oxygen and nutrients, and all your organs need to be functioning properly... a great example of the nonsense is the scene where they decapitate a zombie and then the head is still moving and someone shoots it through the brain with an arrow 'because it has to be the brain'... but scientifically speaking I'm pretty sure that the muscles in the head would have no way of moving for very long without connections to all the organs and the circulatory system, etc.
Well, in my opinion, I think that the premise of the show is NOT to explain the zombies and make them part of the environment, not the actual storyline. The story, I believe, is exploring the dynamics of a group of humans surviving in an unusual and dangerous environment, and surviving each other, which makes the zombie apocalypse secondary - sort of a different viewpoint regarding the zombie genre. They give us enough zombie to make us drool and throw in a somewhat ordinary survival story, but by mixing the two in the right proportions makes it something new and exciting.

Thats what I think, anyways, and that's why I watch it...and enjoy it.
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The specimen that they might have been testing could have been of a human and not a zombie. Might explain why he was telling them to go away ?


Haven't read any of the comics (all though I plan on it). This is just completely way out there idea who knows.
I agree entirely!! I was actually thinking something along those same lines
(granted i have not read the series either)
are they online? someone want to post a link, it would be greatly appreciated.

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I was thinking those specimens were fresh and he wanted them to stay away because they were human. That of the boy and his father that frank (the main character, hope thats his name) met in the beginning of the series. They said they were heading to the cdc. also would explain the major guilt trip he was having for them to go away! He feels like a monster...
1. it would explain why frank (again, cant remember hasnt heard from the father son
2. it would explain the random guilt trip of humans
3. it would explain why he said he needed undead/fresh brain samples which he lost in the purge... or maybe it would explain why all those com. stations are empty... he has been killing people off.
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Well, in my opinion, I think that the premise of the show is NOT to explain the zombies and make them part of the environment, not the actual storyline. The story, I believe, is exploring the dynamics of a group of humans surviving in an unusual and dangerous environment, and surviving each other, which makes the zombie apocalypse secondary - sort of a different viewpoint regarding the zombie genre. They give us enough zombie to make us drool and throw in a somewhat ordinary survival story, but by mixing the two in the right proportions makes it something new and exciting.

Thats what I think, anyways, and that's why I watch it...and enjoy it.
which is exactly why the comics are so appealing they never explain the causes. Which is why the show, if theyre trying that route is going to lose a lot of fan.
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which is exactly why the comics are so appealing they never explain the causes. Which is why the show, if theyre trying that route is going to lose a lot of fan.
I don't think they're going to get too deep into the cause, but for the sake of the TV audience (who, in general, always wants more info to be given on why things are happening) they're going to probably give a bit of a "up for interpretation" bit of info so they can get people speculating, but never really give up the info.
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Damn. Shane got caught. I barely got to see this episode so I didn't really understand it or the fresh sample part... Maybe they are going to get Jim back...as a fresh sample? idk.
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No I think the sample is infected people that aren't dead. That's why he says "the others are useless rotting flesh" or something to that nature.

Based on the preview and Andrea saying "I cant be infected I don't have a fever" and his comments I think he's talking about people who were infected, but hadn't died yet so he basically killed them and took samples/froze, etc.

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I think this is how they're going to lead into the "everyone is infected" idea from the comics. They didn't find that out til later in the comics, which is why Rick went back and killed Shane after he rose up, but I think they're going to let that cat out of the bag early by hinting towards people can be infected and not sick
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No I think the sample is infected people that aren't dead. That's why he says "the others are useless rotting flesh" or something to that nature.

Based on the preview and Andrea saying "I cant be infected I don't have a fever" and his comments I think he's talking about people who were infected, but hadn't died yet so he basically killed them and took samples/froze, etc.

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I think this is how they're going to lead into the "everyone is infected" idea from the comics. They didn't find that out til later in the comics, which is why Rick went back and killed Shane after he rose up, but I think they're going to let that cat out of the bag early by hinting towards people can be infected and not sick
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I guess I have been oblivious to that through the 78 comics(I have hardcover books 1-6 waiting on 7) I have read, they never really go into detail do they? And by "infected" you mean just able to rise after death even having never been bit? Sorry, reading into this too much maybe, but it seems I have overlooked that.
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I guess I have been oblivious to that through the 78 comics(I have hardcover books 1-6 waiting on 7) I have read, they never really go into detail do they? And by "infected" you mean just able to rise after death even having never been bit? Sorry, reading into this too much maybe, but it seems I have overlooked that.
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Remember in the series they find that people when they die even if not bit they come back. So that basically means that you're already infected. You're going to come back unless burned/shot in the head, etc. It happens more than once.

They never go into detail, but they give you that info by finding out people still come back if they die normally (which is how the virus probably spread so fast since people die in huge numbers every day of natural causes). I think they even make mention of how it's now just a matter of time because everyone will die/come back eventually. Even if they wall up. Basically they give you the base to put it together w/o ever saying things directly. You still don't know what caused it, but they pretty much say everyone is infected and will come back at some point. I'll have to find the issue (it's int he Prison arch) where they find that out and make the comment

So with the TV show I think they're already hinting at that by blood testing everyone because anyone could already be infected
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I'm understanding more the point of the show reading from you posters who have read the comics. Still, I think that its weird that Rick never wonders wtf is going on and what went down in the world. One line in particular that ruined my suspension of disbelief was in the second or third episode, Rick has some line where he says authoritatively to someone, "the zombies rule the city now". He said it like it had always been a possibility and like it wasn't insane. I mean god damnit, if the last thing I definitively remember is getting shot, and then I wake up in a hospital room to find it deserted, dead people everyone, hundreds of piled up bodies... I would be pretty sure that I was having some sort of fever induced coma hallucination.
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He had his breakdown. He collapsed at home w/ his family gone, and had his breakdown. It didn't get a lot of screen time, but you saw it happen. His family, though, trumped all. He pretty much had two options. Break down, or find his family.

Some people would've broken down and lost it, and those people are probably dead now, and others came to terms with it. Rick is one of the ones who came to terms with it, and chose to survive and find his family.

I'm sure they could have delved deeper into it, but honestly it's not about their coming to terms with it. It's more about what happens when they have to make those choices as a group, and Rick as a leader.

I'm sure he wonders a lot of things about how things happened, etc, but there's no point on the characters speculating on it. They don't know the answers. I'm sure in the next episode (finale) they will ask a few of them to the CDC Doc because he's the first person who may have any type of answer.
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I love this show as much as the next guy but my pet peeve with zombie stories is that the virus never seems to be airborne. It just doesn't make sense (aside from the whole zombie thing ). I don't see a virus as pervasive as these overthrowing human civilization in a matter of days only being transfered by body fluid exchanges.
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Trying to be as spoiler free as possible that's actually touched on in the comics. If you want to read the spoiler below feel free, but it's a pretty big one.

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In the comics they find out that everyone is infected and that when you die you will turn. They don't go into why the zombie bite is so much more lethal but you find out that when people die they will turn regardless so they start shooting anyone who dies in the head and burning them. Also Rick has to go back and dig up a character who died and shoot them in the head because they came back even though they were killed by gun.


This part has nothing to do with The Walking Dead, but instead a book called Ex-Heroes. I'm spoilering it because it re-inforces the above spoiler.
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In Ex-Heroes they find out that it's not the bite that transmits it. It's in the air, water, etc.

The bite is just what kills you because of the bacteria. The dead are a breading ground for it, and as each person dies they have that bacteria from the zombie who bit them + whatever they accumulate after gets transferred to the next bite. It's basically a super bacteria and each generation of Zombie it gets more powerful. The body simply can't handle that hard of a hit, and you die. It's too much for your immune system. So unless a cure is found the Human race will all eventually turn (unless its not transmitted to newborns but thats never touched on).

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I love this show as much as the next guy but my pet peeve with zombie stories is that the virus never seems to be airborne. It just doesn't make sense (aside from the whole zombie thing ). I don't see a virus as pervasive as these overthrowing human civilization in a matter of days only being transfered by body fluid exchanges.
Maybe some are immune. I remember a movie where the immunity was given to humans who had already had chicken pox or something of the sort. It was a mother and a child and the child had chicken pox and could not get sick, Anybody remember the movie? It was somewhat recent.

I think the series depicts people in general as idiots. The girl who let the zombie bite her, The sister who put her ear up to her dead sister when she started breathing, Asian kid "could we cut through the bars?" Indian guy "With a half day and a torch" (I found that statement retarded) there is others; I just find people act stupid sometimes (I know it is a TV show).

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This part has nothing to do with The Walking Dead, but instead a book called Ex-Heroes. I'm spoilering it because it re-inforces the above spoiler.
Such a fun little book. Bought it on a whim because it was so well reviewed. Very enjoyable read for those who enjoy zombies and superheroes.
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No you're on the money.

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Remember in the series they find that people when they die even if not bit they come back. So that basically means that you're already infected. You're going to come back unless burned/shot in the head, etc. It happens more than once.

They never go into detail, but they give you that info by finding out people still come back if they die normally (which is how the virus probably spread so fast since people die in huge numbers every day of natural causes). I think they even make mention of how it's now just a matter of time because everyone will die/come back eventually. Even if they wall up. Basically they give you the base to put it together w/o ever saying things directly. You still don't know what caused it, but they pretty much say everyone is infected and will come back at some point. I'll have to find the issue (it's int he Prison arch) where they find that out and make the comment

So with the TV show I think they're already hinting at that by blood testing everyone because anyone could already be infected
Its all good, you just jogged the memory and I know exactly what youre talking about,
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