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Old 08-10-2010, 11:32 AM #64
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Swerve, please. Once again you have managed to write personal insults starting a flamewar without contributing in any way to the original subject. Do you ever question yourself before you send your reply?
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:44 AM #65
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lolololol, no. I find people who are 100% socialists, 100% conservatives, 100% libertarians, etc., who are all open-minded. Unlike yourself, I don't engage in groupthink, and I'm able to spot someone who is open-minded. For instance, you're a conservative, but another conservative poster here who is open-minded (unlike yourself) is custar. In other words, he doesn't tow the party line hardcore, like yourself. Open-mindedness isn't subjective, it's objective. And no, I disagreed politically with Matrixballa on an entire range of issues, however, I can applaud the efforts of someone who tries to seek the truth from sources other than the demagogue's talking points on Fox News and hotair.com. Open-mindedness allows people to reason in ways that people who engage in groupthink can't. However, you wouldn't know that.
I'd say "Hey that's great, somebody buy this guy a beer" but I'm just not seeing much of you arguing much of what some of the 100% Liberals here have to say. Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen you breath down Frank or gonzo's neck once yet. If I see a link I'll take it back. Otherwise, I'll stand by "Haha, far left right hating troll" for now.


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and people like Tuff are victims of propaganda. ****, it's not even brown people, it's anyone whose not in your own country. You guys are afraid of illegals coming over the border, when in fact the brown threat is vastly overstated by scaremongers. You guys cry about 'shippin ER JERBS' overseas to those backwards asian people in China, yet, you fail to realize that this is actually a boon for our economy (comparative advantage). You guys HATE muslims. This is evidenced by the fact that you are forever in love with Israel, and are weary of everything Muslims do. The mosque issue, for example, comes to mind. I mean really, tell me a group of brown people that you 'conservatives' aren't opposed to in some form, and I'll perhaps believe that you aren't a closet racist, but for the time being, I'm steadfast in my belief[/IMG]
Haha, who's in love with Israel? Not me - another stereotype fail with you labeling people around here. What's with you and "brown people" too? Lst time I checked - it happen to be "brown people" coming across the border. Are you on record saying it's not Mexicans coming across the border? Are you on record saying Islam isn't radical? You are? Ok, then you're self owned - see ya later. What's that - you aren't implying that? Well then your facts are ****. Thanks for playing, Drew Carey has a wonderful consolation prize for you waiting in the back - a pair of knee pads and a guy wearing nothing but a trench coat! Hurray for you, I bet you're happier with that than the new car.



Aw look, you look so thrilled. Congrats, man.

You're admittedly here to troll and ripe people up, but your gimmick is a one sided one, aimed at a particular group of people, because blowing coke, guys, and white people up seems more your area of interest. For a guy with "no interest" around here, you spent a good half hour with that post. Haha
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:45 AM #66
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Swerve, please. Once again you have managed to write personal insults starting a flamewar without contributing in any way to the original subject. Do you ever question yourself before you send your reply?
Did you call p8ntkid for doing the same, or just the right wing people?

Let this post stand as proof that you clearly aren't here for "meaningful discussion" and thanks for making that so easy to verify.
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Old 08-10-2010, 12:34 PM #67
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Swerve, please. Once again you have managed to write personal insults starting a flamewar without contributing in any way to the original subject. Do you ever question yourself before you send your reply?
No, because it's obvious far left hacks such as yourself and "free thinking" trolls such as p8ntkid have a huge problem with the truth and don't know how to control themselves when confronted with it. That's why they fly off the handle and freak out so consistently.

Also, in case you missed it I wasn't the one in this thread admitting to trolling for fun and making up racial accusations to get a rise out of people. Good to know your fairminded eye is so all seeing.
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Old 08-10-2010, 12:59 PM #68
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Old 08-10-2010, 02:12 PM #69
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Odd that map is not quite right...

Japan, almost all of NATO, and Isreal all use our F-15 too in some way or the other.
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Old 08-10-2010, 02:13 PM #70
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Did you call p8ntkid for doing the same, or just the right wing people?
Well, I didn't because he didn't start insulting people which eventually lead to this whole offtopic raging.

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Let this post stand as proof that you clearly aren't here for "meaningful discussion" and thanks for making that so easy to verify.
Well, as your analysis due to your lack of reading comprehension is totally wrong, I can't really second your opinion. But I'm sure that won't stop you in the future when you are trying to avoid meaningful conversation by resorting to personal insults, just like Swerve.
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Old 08-10-2010, 02:23 PM #71
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Well, I didn't because he didn't start insulting people which eventually lead to this whole offtopic raging.
Yeah, he did. Feel free to keep lying about it though, the proof is in the posts and these posts just solidified you as a low grade troll posing as a Scandinavian if this is your response. Guy admitted to trolling. You? You attack someone else because he is a a different school of thought from you. Laugh Out Loud @ you.
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Old 08-10-2010, 02:26 PM #72
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Well, I didn't because he didn't start insulting people which eventually lead to this whole offtopic raging.
Yeah? Maybe you can quote where this whole insulting thing started then since apparently you have no clue what's going on in this thread.

1) I said p8ntkid reminded me of matrixballa sometimes based on the fact that he makes similar conspiratorial allusions from time to time.

2) p8ntkid admitted that he did agree with matrix in a number of areas, after posting a troll picture.

3) p8ntkid admits to trolling for fun and makes a number of blatant ad-hom attacks such as "You however, are just a mindless drone who repeats talking point after talking point" that you willfully ignored.

4) Kring shows up in the thread defending the self admitted troll and making up things that never happened.
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Old 08-12-2010, 05:43 PM #73
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I didn't say that. That was a quote from the very first post...just to clarify... my last two post were taken from the very first post.
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:58 AM #75
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Funny thing is, you can give them the most advanced fighter we have but without properly trained pilots, the plane will never live up to its full potential.

When I was 5 years old (1989), my family lived in Egypt so my Dad could help train Egyptian fighter pilots fly new American planes that were given to them and he tells stories all the time of Egyptian pilots crashing the planes.
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Old 08-25-2010, 05:18 PM #76
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Funny thing is, you can give them the most advanced fighter we have but without properly trained pilots, the plane will never live up to its full potential.

When I was 5 years old (1989), my family lived in Egypt so my Dad could help train Egyptian fighter pilots fly new American planes that were given to them and he tells stories all the time of Egyptian pilots crashing the planes.
Truth.

In India they had a big air show, they had Mig-29's flying against F-16's. The Mig's were flown by Russians, the F-16's by Indias, the Mig's made a mockery out of the F-16.

See Iraq/Israels wars for the counterpoint to this argument.
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Old 08-25-2010, 05:21 PM #77
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this thread should've died with someone sarcastically saying, "You are surprised we're selling arms to Saudi Arabia?"
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Old 08-25-2010, 05:40 PM #78
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this thread should've died with someone sarcastically saying, "You are surprised we're selling arms to Saudi Arabia?"
As it was pointed out, we are the number ONE arms selling country in the world, what is the problem? Someone somewhere is going to sell someone weapons, might as well be us so we can control the level of tech they get, and make some money at it.
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Ever notice Israel has little difficulty telling America to go to hell, in less offensive words maybe, when they don't wish to comply with a request made upon them by America?

Why should America hesitate to do the same in return?
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Ever notice Israel has little difficulty telling America to go to hell, in less offensive words maybe, when they don't wish to comply with a request made upon them by America?

Why should America hesitate to do the same in return?
Dude SHHHHHHH. They are Jewish. Not agreeing with them is anti-Semitic.

Watch the documentary (Its by a Jew) called "Defamation" really great film on what is going on in Israeli politics right now. I really urge you all to watch it, I thought it sucked for the first half, was just like "c'mon dude blow me, not everyone is a Nazi pig hell bent on Jew death" but by the end it just played out perfectly and showed how ridiculous the conservative movement in Israel is right now.

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Has anybody mentioned that we're going to be selling Israel F-35s? Israel will still be a complete fighter generation ahead of everyone else in the middle east.

But yeah, I do think its bull**** and hypocritical that America sells weapons to totalitarian regimes (Saudi Arabia and others) so that they can defend their totalitarian regimes. The idea (i guess) being that having the region in the hands of a dictator is more stable and will keep oil prices low. And keep oil contracts with american companies intact.

It really bothers me to think about. All throughout middle school and high school, our state-school-board-approved history syllabuses teach that we are these idealistic promoters of freedom and democracy. Which, the more you learn, turns out to be a lot of victors writing history. I don't like how quick we are to support any dictator when democracy seems slightly harder to support.

Which gets to the point of Israel... a liberal democracy with the same standards of freedom and america and western europe. I have no problem selling them weapons.
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It really bothers me to think about. All throughout middle school and high school, our state-school-board-approved history syllabuses teach that we are these idealistic promoters of freedom and democracy. Which, the more you learn, turns out to be a lot of victors writing history. I don't like how quick we are to support any dictator when democracy seems slightly harder to support.
Other than possibly Iran (which I don't think is really a democracy), which democracies could we have supported in the Middle East over the last fifty years?

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Other than possibly Iran (which I don't think is really a democracy), which democracies could we have supported in the Middle East over the last fifty years?

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