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Old 08-09-2010, 08:38 PM #43
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Or buying more advanced planes. Wouldn't that be ironic.
I guess it would be ironic. We should just make more useless planes and sell them for profits.

I don't know why obama is getting flak for this, if you want to get on anyone for mass distributing arms, blame russia for giving everyone and their mothers ak-47s.

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Old 08-09-2010, 08:43 PM #44
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LOL! For somebody who claims to have no personal stake in this forum and only be here for trolling, you sure typed up a huge wall a text to affirm your validity.

It's obvious I struck a nerve, looks like the self proclaimed troll ended up getting trolled just by hearing the truth

Good job agreeing with me that you choose to throw around accusations of racism right off the break though, that says a lot about somebodies personality and/or credibility.

Also, learn what a neocon is.
Typical racist, dodge the facts, and slowly disassociate yourself with the topic. You racists sure have evolved since the white hood days where it was acceptable to just come out and profess your racism. Too bad you can't today, and you have to hide it behind layers of excuses.
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Swerve, I'm also curious... why do you hate the Constitution and everything our founders stood for?
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:58 PM #46
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Typical racist, dodge the facts, and slowly disassociate yourself with the topic.
Goddamn it so much dude, I hope you're being ironic. I generally disagree with swerve on pretty much everything in this forum, but the wanton accusations of racism (by everybody on the left, mind you) is getting pretty ****ing disgusting. It has become the American left's vacuous fallback slur, and is as mindnumbing as hearing the phrase "communist" come from the right.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:00 PM #47
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Goddamn it so much dude, I hope you're being ironic. I generally disagree with swerve on pretty much everything in this forum, but the wanton accusations of racism (by everybody on the left, mind you) is getting pretty ****ing disgusting. It has become the American left's vacuous fallback slur, and is as mindnumbing as hearing the phrase "communist" come from the right.
stop being racist, you commie.

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Old 08-09-2010, 09:03 PM #48
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What really gets me is the fact that this is considered "news" lol.
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Goddamn it so much dude, I hope you're being ironic. I generally disagree with swerve on pretty much everything in this forum, but the wanton accusations of racism (by everybody on the left, mind you) is getting pretty ****ing disgusting. It has become the American left's vacuous fallback slur, and is as mindnumbing as hearing the phrase "communist" come from the right.
He's admitted he's only here for trolling, so I guess we can't really expect much else. This thread's been pretty thoroughly derailed though so I guess it's a success.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:07 PM #50
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Goddamn it so much dude, I hope you're being ironic. I generally disagree with swerve on pretty much everything in this forum, but the wanton accusations of racism (by everybody on the left, mind you) is getting pretty ****ing disgusting. It has become the American left's vacuous fallback slur, and is as mindnumbing as hearing the phrase "communist" come from the right.
So, someone who consistently has a hard time empathizing with outsiders/foreigners (typically brown-skinned people), most likely supports militarizing the border to keep out the (mostly harmless) immigrants, etc., should be given a free pass because it's a popular go-to argument for some people? I'm not a leftist, and nor do I toss around racist at everyone I come across, however, like I said a few times in this thread, when you have someone who constantly reveals themself as a xenophobe, well, if it walks like a duck...
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:47 PM #51
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I guess it would be ironic. We should just make more useless planes and sell them for profits.

I don't know why obama is getting flak for this, if you want to get on anyone for mass distributing arms, blame russia for giving everyone and their mothers ak-47s.
Well, that is capitalistic thinking at its best. Good point. But I don't have an AK. :frownie emoticon:

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Old 08-09-2010, 10:54 PM #52
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Well, that is capitalistic thinking at its best. Good point. But I don't have an AK. :frownie emoticon:

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You can get one in Iraq for 3 cows. I'm serious.
I believe you, but shipping the cows might run a tad more than I can afford.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:10 PM #54
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I believe you, but shipping the cows might run a tad more than I can afford.
Purchase them there.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:11 PM #55
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You can get one in Iraq for 3 cows. I'm serious.
Well it would be kind of difficult determine the amount of value they ave in AK-47's based on that fact. Here in america 3 cows would cost around 1k each. $3000 for an AK-47? I don't think so. But from what i heard someone is supplying AKs all over, because the prices on them in certain countries have decreased exceptionally. But whatever, this is kind of off-topic.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:20 PM #56
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Well it would be kind of difficult determine the amount of value they ave in AK-47's based on that fact. Here in america 3 cows would cost around 1k each. $3000 for an AK-47? I don't think so. But from what i heard someone is supplying AKs all over, because the prices on them in certain countries have decreased exceptionally. But whatever, this is kind of off-topic.
I don't have it down to a science man. I saw it in an article or something about how easy it is to get weapons in Iraq and they said if a man wants an AK-47 all he needs is 3 cows and he has himself a new weapon.
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The F-15 was a top-class fighter back in the 70's and 80's. Meant for all-weather air superiority against the Russians. Now its getting older, more difficult to maintain and whatnot, however, still heavily used by the Air Force/Air National Guard. Its by no means useless. Sell off some of our stockpile with downgraded abilities and make some cash. Who cares. Yea, because we really have to worry about the "Saudi Air Force" causing problems in the world. From what I can tell, they already have some that we sold them anyways. Anyone concerned by this is just overhyped up by the media. These planes are eventually going to go out of service( 2020ish...) due to the F-22 and F-35.


The world is horribly flooded with AK47's and 74's. Sure blame the Soviets, but lets not count out the Chinese knockoffs.
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Not to mention the Royal Saudi Air Force has had them for years
My first reaction as well ... Saudi Arabia has had US jets for decades! Including F15s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Saudi_Air_Force

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My first reaction as well ... Saudi Arabia has had US jets for decades! Including F15s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Saudi_Air_Force

It's so funny every time the warped Republican partisan worldview snaps into clear focus when someone literally pwns themself.
They have 57 F-15E's, 25 F-15D's, and 71 F-15S's.. they also have Blackhawks and Apache's... who cares if they have some more?
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In case you're wondering, I don't really have a personal stake in this forum, hence why I don't really care to reply to most posts. I honestly just don't give a ****, and on top of that, I post on several other political forums. I mainly come here for laughs, and a lil trolling action, and man, is this place ripe for trolling. All you gotta do is point out the cognitive dissonance of neo-cons, and disappear, and the neo-con echo chamber goes WILD.

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lolololol, no. I find people who are 100% socialists, 100% conservatives, 100% libertarians, etc., who are all open-minded. Unlike yourself, I don't engage in groupthink, and I'm able to spot someone who is open-minded. For instance, you're a conservative, but another conservative poster here who is open-minded (unlike yourself) is custar. In other words, he doesn't tow the party line hardcore, like yourself. Open-mindedness isn't subjective, it's objective. And no, I disagreed politically with Matrixballa on an entire range of issues, however, I can applaud the efforts of someone who tries to seek the truth from sources other than the demagogue's talking points on Fox News and hotair.com. Open-mindedness allows people to reason in ways that people who engage in groupthink can't. However, you wouldn't know that.

Also, you're right, I may be quick to call people racists, and I think it's silly that the mainstream media is labelling the tea party as racist, but there quite a few conservatives who, when it comes to brown people, they are hysterical. All it takes is a quick review of your recent posts to see that you and people like Tuff are victims of propaganda. ****, it's not even brown people, it's anyone whose not in your own country. You guys are afraid of illegals coming over the border, when in fact the brown threat is vastly overstated by scaremongers. You guys cry about 'shippin ER JERBS' overseas to those backwards asian people in China, yet, you fail to realize that this is actually a boon for our economy (comparative advantage). You guys HATE muslims. This is evidenced by the fact that you are forever in love with Israel, and are weary of everything Muslims do. The mosque issue, for example, comes to mind. I mean really, tell me a group of brown people that you 'conservatives' aren't opposed to in some form, and I'll perhaps believe that you aren't a closet racist, but for the time being, I'm steadfast in my belief

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Nice try, Freud, but no, you're completely wrong. I base my judgment of whether someone is racist based off their foreign and domestic policy. Usually people who are opposed to the vast majority of issues that involve foreigners are closet-racists. As I pointed out, 'conservatives' such as yourself, are opposed to immigrants, sending er jerbs to China, Muslims in general, etc. You neocons are consistently opposed to outsides. You're all xenophobes. That's what makes me think you're a racist. I'm not some agent of the MSM who's out to smear the tea party. I know plenty of conservatives who are clearly not closeted racists, but when I see a conservative who has a hard time supporting/helping someone who doesn't have white skin on a consistent basis, well...... it's kind of hard to not cast judgment. It's not a knee-jerk reaction, I'm well aware of your positions on numerous issues, and I'm drawing my own hypothesis from it. I repeat, I don't think all conservatives are racists, just the ones who have a consistent record of opposing outsiders.

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My first reaction as well ... Saudi Arabia has had US jets for decades! Including F15s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Saudi_Air_Force
Like I said, the Saudi's already have many F15E's along with other fighters, transports, and choppers. This sale of 10 planes doesn't mean a damn thing.
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Tuff, I don't think that you're really aware of how Middle East politics work. Saudi Arabia has been a big ally of the US ever since the 50s. The Royal Family is practically in bed with the US government. We provide them with arms and expertise to keep their peasants in line and they provide us with oil.

Saudi Arabia and Israel are technically enemies, but there is a convergence of interests. Saudi Arabia has recently made it known that they will grant Israel free use of their air space if they decide to strike against Iran. That all-but-public announcement is huge.
Raiper: I know that SA are "allies" of ours, and much of that is due to the Bush's close ties with them. I've stated multiple times now that I personally didn't have a big problem with this - something either being missed or deliberately ignored as people impulse post at me wondering why I have a problem with this. I posted this looking to see if anyone would side with Israel or had a problem with this as Israel did. While Israel and Saudi Arabia are not allies or enemies right now, I think Israel is protesting due to A) Because they can or B) How these planes could be used down the line.

And yes, I think Israel will jump on that offer of air space eventually, but remain skeptical. Let's not forget where many of the 9/11 terrorists came from. It wasn't Iran.
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