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Originally Posted by MeÐiCX

That guy with the blue E-Mag shooting up the red side was wearing a blue TPB jersey. Did anyone start flaming TPB over that? No.

I'm sorry the amatuer scenario players didn't understand the rules. ESP did not cheat.

The Man won. Good job. Move on. Stop complaining.

I can assure you that the guy wearing the ****** jersey lighting people up was our number 1 target. Our squads stopped inserting into play and went in just trying to find him and get his ID number. I can just as easily put on a tshirt, jersey or sandana of any team/website and do the same, doesn't mean I'm affiliated with them, which is why they weren't flamed I assume.

However ESP is no amateur scenario team, they attend many Viper events each year. But with this statement I'm done, Viper is aware of any and all issues that have arisen and they'll be handled and improvements will be made for next year's game. I think this should be a case closed in the hands of anyone other than Viper and event staff.

[hexcts]

Not saying I condone cheating in anyway, however people are taking what Viper said about this and just picking what they want to try and prove there own point. Here is what Viper said in regards to this copied directly from the Tech PB forum, the topic number is 94684 since it wont let me put a link to that forum thread

In the rules it, indeed, says to "please" turn in any player IDs (the colored, cardstock card) that you find on the field.

However, I have also always warned players many times that "if another player finds a lost ID card they can use it to get into your base." This warning has been printed on player packets, as well as given verbally during orientation, at multiple events for a number of years.

My intention with this warning was not to say that it was a legal maneuver, but rather to warn players that someone might do so whether it was legal or not, and that the best way to ensure it didn't happen was not to lose your card in the first place.

Last weekend I found that this was misunderstood by many, understandably, as me saying that it was permissible to do so. This was a mixed massage that I have been sending out, and I take responsibility for not being more clear.

I apologize for not being clear on this, and I intend to edit the current rules to be far more specific concerning lost player badges and IDs.

Players on both sides were using found player IDs to gain access to the other side's armband tape, so neither side is more/less guilty. We also had many ID cards turned in.

But again, I apologize for being far less than clear on this, and will be editing the Viper Scenario Rules to be crystal clear on this. The rules are constantly updated to adapt to the game, new things we add, and to correct things we may have overlooked or need to be more clear on, while still attempting to keep them to a reasonable length. This is one of those occasions when some rewording is necessary.

See you all on the field

It was done by both teams, once again it was not right what they did, but you cannot go blasting one side only. Hopefully we can get a game in there future though were everyone will resort to clean fair play.

[ViperScenarios]

Apparently you guys are missing something. The rules about this were not "changed" at this event. I have already admitted that I have printed conflicting information for the past few years, and it is being corrected.

It is a misunderstanding that has apparently happened many times due to my inconsistent printed materials, and was done by many players on both sides at this event. Additionally, we had a few lost red cards turned it at command, but not one blue one was ever turned in. Perhaps the red team will find that interesting.

Now, the game is over, and life has moved on. Let it go for crying out loud.

[CrazyLittle (Banned)]

The core of the point we're taking issue with is that we're being given the impression that rules are malleable here, and that's really unsettling.

[freestyle141]

Who cares red won. Yellow was shoved in their base for about 3 hours. Sucks for them.

[MeÐiCX]

The rules in place for LL3 are the same Viper scenario rules. This pertains to IDs, player's cards and armband tape:

Player packet: When you check in you will receive a packet with a player ID card (tells about the character you are playing) and a Player Badge. DO NOT LOSE EITHER OF THESE. They will not be replaced for any reason! If you find one please turn it in at the registration counter immediately.


Armband Tape: This will be provided by your commander or one of his officers, not by the event staff. Medics must also wear a white armband. We ask that the commanders tape both arms with their team color so as to allow their own players to identify them. You may also lie all you want with regard to your team affiliation. This is a roleplaying game. The only legal way to acquire armband tape is from your commander or a legal member of that team that was placed on that side by the event staff. You are not required to wear your team color armband tape. The team color is not intended to show you whom to shoot, it is designed to assist your teammates in knowing who not to shoot!

I'm not going to beat a dead horse over this but no where does it say an enemy player card cannot be used to obtain the enemies armband tape.

[pinkyy]

If were all done about this, I think we should either have a big group hug , or shoot the **** out of each other

[Purplehaze Baller (Banned)]

You people and some fools are just fueling a 20 minute vid response from the porn posting d-bag from the other site, stop with the ammo and move on... Is there really anything more at stake here than your friggin ego's... really, points have been stated and rebuted now pls drop it and move on and wait for the it's all their fault not mine video response to come. Everyone check the date of birth on their drivers liciense and stop for the sake of it all.

[slayer0704]

Everybody is already beating a dead horse

The Man won....without ESP we would have won by more. 'nuff said.

[ViperScenarios]

Originally Posted by MeÐiCX

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If you find one please turn it in at the registration counter immediately.

[color="Navy"]I'm not going to beat a dead horse over this but no where does it say an enemy player card cannot be used to obtain the enemies armband tape.

As long as we're beating this horse, if you came directly to me and turned it in "immediately" how would you first go to their base and get armband tape?

Now, can we let this go and move on. The game is over, my mistake is being corrected.

[hexcts]

Originally Posted by pinkyy

If were all done about this, I think we should either have a big group hug , or shoot the **** out of each other

good idea pinkyy <BIG HUG EVERYONE>

[MeÐiCX]

Originally Posted by ViperScenarios

As long as we're beating this horse, if you came directly to me and turned it in "immediately" how would you first go to their base and get armband tape?

Maybe they passed their taping station on the way

[jdlarson11]

This scenario seems a bit careless with the rules to have 1300+ plus players spending hundreds of their own hard earned dollars to have the game altered by unclear rules.

Players in this sport aren't very forgiving, and this wont just "go away."

[jdlarson11]

Originally Posted by Nibbana

How did the shooting players who called for medic's until you hit them in the head or they stuck their hands work out for you ****** guys? I mean that was a directive from Mike himself on those forums. And I was had that happen several times, I even had to send the refs over a couple of times to get some people judge punched.

Too bad they weren't as well known as ESP to make all this fuss about.

The players that did that on boths sides were punished, while ESP won MVT and

altered points significantly. Pretty big difference.

[dager]

dead horse, issue being resolved and doesn't need to be turned into a tpb/pbn thread

-closed