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Old 05-31-2010, 12:18 PM #64
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all you guys are doing is having a pissing contest instead of making the nppl and
even the psp which wasn't my concern in the first place addressed.there is no way in hell that you can have pro players playing on D2 and semi-pro players playing on D3. It was a smooth move frank from taking danny benitez off the official roster,but letting him play anyways cause hes your buddy,that was priceless.I cant believe frank thinks its ok for people to pay 2000+ dollars and have to play sandbaggers.fix the problem or watch your tournament series dwindle to bankruptcy like all the other times.ill post the video of one of the sandbaggers up later.Which i might add was brought to franks attention.Good job asylum extreme.Outstanding justin price.

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Old 05-31-2010, 12:31 PM #65
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I miss the good ole days when you were Pro, Am or Novice. Back when you played against teams that would smash your face into the ground and send you home bleeding from the throat. Those welts were a two week long reminder of why you needed to go out and grind every weekend and play teams that would keep doing that to you again and again until one magic day, you were the team doing that to the other guys. Then you sucked it up and bumped up ranks. Playing a division lower than you should was a humiliation, not a work around. Pride MADE you play against those that would chew you up.....and you LOVED it. *sigh*
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I miss the good ole days when you were Pro, Am or Novice. Back when you played against teams that would smash your face into the ground and send you home bleeding from the throat. Those welts were a two week long reminder of why you needed to go out and grind every weekend and play teams that would keep doing that to you again and again until one magic day, you were the team doing that to the other guys. Then you sucked it up and bumped up ranks. Playing a division lower than you should was a humiliation, not a work around. Pride MADE you play against those that would chew you up.....and you LOVED it. *sigh*
Yeah, but there are varying degrees of pride and conscience. A formalized system to catch the people who want to cheat the system or are ignorant of the system is perhaps the best method now.

I hate to say it, but we need either one unified system, or separate systems that communicate readily with each other. This is no different in other areas of life in which multiple redundant systems exist without communication. One extreme example resulted in the creation of the Office of Homeland Security, whether you believe in its current function or not.
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Old 05-31-2010, 01:13 PM #67
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Yeah, but there are varying degrees of pride and conscience. A formalized system to catch the people who want to cheat the system or are ignorant of the system is perhaps the best method now.

I hate to say it, but we need either one unified system, or separate systems that communicate readily with each other. This is no different in other areas of life in which multiple redundant systems exist without communication. One extreme example resulted in the creation of the Office of Homeland Security, whether you believe in its current function or not.
Well spoken. I very much agree about the communication between the seperate systems ( I believe competition is best for the players versus the monopoly of one system).
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all you guys are doing is having a pissing contest instead of making the nppl and
even the psp which wasn't my concern in the first place addressed.there is no way in hell that you can have pro players playing on D2 and semi-pro players playing on D3. It was a smooth move frank from taking danny benitez off the official roster,but letting him play anyways cause hes your buddy,that was priceless.I cant believe frank thinks its ok for people to pay 2000+ dollars and have to play sandbaggers.fix the problem or watch your tournament series dwindle to bankruptcy like all the other times.ill post the video of one of the sandbaggers up later.Which i might add was brought to franks attention.Good job asylum extreme.Outstanding justin price.

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What are you talking about? Danny did not play this event.....And regardless he is ranked D1 on appa just look for yourself.
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I miss the good ole days when you were Pro, Am or Novice. Back when you played against teams that would smash your face into the ground and send you home bleeding from the throat. Those welts were a two week long reminder of why you needed to go out and grind every weekend and play teams that would keep doing that to you again and again until one magic day, you were the team doing that to the other guys. Then you sucked it up and bumped up ranks. Playing a division lower than you should was a humiliation, not a work around. Pride MADE you play against those that would chew you up.....and you LOVED it. *sigh*
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For those of you complaining about COST of APPA...

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The power of the APPA Tournament System is available to your league for a low fee of $4 per player per event, with no charge for team staff or extra players on a roster. For example, no matter how many staff or players are listed on a roster, pricing is:
RaceTo-1/2 / 3-man team: $12 per team per event
RaceTo-2 / 5-man team: $20 per team per event
7-man team: $28 per team per event

RaceTo-4/5/7 or XBall: $36 per team per event
Fees include all of the APPA Tournament System features. There are extra charges if you would like APPA to print ID cards for you, but using the APPA system's tools to print cards yourself is free. You currently need Microsoft Excel to print waivers and scoresheets, and you will need some form of an internet connection at the event location to do computerized scoring. A phone line is sufficient.
Bolded areas are the ones that NPPL/USPL would be concerned with...

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I miss the good ole days when you were Pro, Am or Novice. Back when you played against teams that would smash your face into the ground and send you home bleeding from the throat. Those welts were a two week long reminder of why you needed to go out and grind every weekend and play teams that would keep doing that to you again and again until one magic day, you were the team doing that to the other guys. Then you sucked it up and bumped up ranks. Playing a division lower than you should was a humiliation, not a work around. Pride MADE you play against those that would chew you up.....and you LOVED it. *sigh*
From what I do and See that is exactly what happens during practice and on any given day you walk on. But were talking about a competition here a tournament. Thats where you have strict rules that do not allow the Pro/D1/D2/D3 players in the lower divisions (within the rules of course). It is all our responsibility to clean this up and when you see or know about it say something. Then on practice day play who you want when you want, if they will play down then. I totally aggree in playing up, my team D4 first year team with first year players play D2 teams all the time, one because were good and two because they help us out even if we get smashed and now were not getting smashed as often and have even won a few games because they have taught us. So the good old days are still here, we just need to weed out the few that dont play by the rules.........
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all you guys are doing is having a pissing contest instead of making the nppl and
even the psp which wasn't my concern in the first place addressed.there is no way in hell that you can have pro players playing on D2 and semi-pro players playing on D3. It was a smooth move frank from taking danny benitez off the official roster,but letting him play anyways cause hes your buddy,that was priceless.I cant believe frank thinks its ok for people to pay 2000+ dollars and have to play sandbaggers.fix the problem or watch your tournament series dwindle to bankruptcy like all the other times.ill post the video of one of the sandbaggers up later.Which i might add was brought to franks attention.Good job asylum extreme.Outstanding justin price.

Good job chasing new teams away from your tournament series.
appreciate the name drop . In case you were wondering I asked about my ranking before hb. I was told it was d2. I have a d1 ranking in psp. Not nppl. Because of the nppl not using appa, they can not hold this against me.

And also, I don't play 7 man. Never have, only played 4 games of it this year prior to the event.
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appreciate the name drop . In case you were wondering I asked about my ranking before hb. I was told it was d2. I have a d1 ranking in psp. Not nppl. Because of the nppl not using appa, they can not hold this against me.

And also, I don't play 7 man. Never have, only played 4 games of it this year prior to the event.
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I heard a rumor that they were going to disqualify them.. I guess that never happened.

Oh well! Great event anyways
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appreciate the name drop . In case you were wondering I asked about my ranking before hb. I was told it was d2. I have a d1 ranking in psp. Not nppl. Because of the nppl not using appa, they can not hold this against me.

And also, I don't play 7 man. Never have, only played 4 games of it this year prior to the event.
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your team name and division are right in your signature.Your so sharp justin.Anyways,its not up to you too catch yourself.thats what the id cards are for and our 40 dollar contribution to make nppl fair. Im glad the players can contribute to absolutly nothing.
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From what I do and See that is exactly what happens during practice and on any given day you walk on. But were talking about a competition here a tournament. Thats where you have strict rules that do not allow the Pro/D1/D2/D3 players in the lower divisions (within the rules of course). It is all our responsibility to clean this up and when you see or know about it say something. Then on practice day play who you want when you want, if they will play down then. I totally aggree in playing up, my team D4 first year team with first year players play D2 teams all the time, one because were good and two because they help us out even if we get smashed and now were not getting smashed as often and have even won a few games because they have taught us. So the good old days are still here, we just need to weed out the few that dont play by the rules.........
We all know practice isnt the same. I believe what he was getting at was there used to be pride in Paintball. Playing Against ol school Aftershock, avalanche, image, Ironmen Dynasty, Bobbys Boys etc etc hurt like hell. you got punished but you wanted to play them. Nowadays it seems like everyone is happy staying d2 or d3 forever. Or using the "prize package" isnt worth it crap as an excuse to sandbag.
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We didn't even win the event. Not really sure what all the fuss is about. I most Likley will not be playing an nppl even again. I'm sorry for going off of a ranking the league gave to me. Not to mention I am just one person on a team of 7. Or the fact that i'm not even that good at paintball.

Also, i wasn't trying to be slick. Clearly as I am posting on my name, with my appa in my signature. I also made sure it was ok prior to the event. So keep acting like you caught me breaking rules.
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We all know practice isnt the same. I believe what he was getting at was there used to be pride in Paintball. Playing Against ol school Aftershock, avalanche, image, Ironmen Dynasty, Bobbys Boys etc etc hurt like hell. you got punished but you wanted to play them. Nowadays it seems like everyone is happy staying d2 or d3 forever. Or using the "prize package" isnt worth it crap as an excuse to sandbag.
I dont see how they can do that with the rules the way they are: "(6) A “D4-5 Man Player” is a player who has played in two or less D4-5 Man events the previous season. D4 players that have played a full season, must move up to D3-5 Man for the following season" Maybe they should make this a rule for all divisions then that would eliminate that issue. Also I think that if you accumulate enough points during the regular season your placed in the next higher division the at the end of the year? So why is it that so many players are allowed to do this then. Thats the first thing I did before I even started playing was to read the rules. Then the guy above IMO is completely in the wrong here, as a person with any knowledge of the sport YOU should know your own ranking and not rely on anyone else to say what you are?? Confused on that point, If I ever did anything like that i would go out back and kick my own ***. Old School. Maybe this is part of the reason this sport has not taken off IMO to bigger and better things. Oh and due to few D1 teams they did play up in this tournament. So still not sure of the point being made, also I'm very old school and older than IMO, i'd say 98% of the players out there.

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your team name and division are right in your signature.Your so sharp justin.Anyways,its not up to you too catch yourself.thats what the id cards are for and our 40 dollar contribution to make nppl fair. Im glad the players can contribute to absolutly nothing.
The rest of the players on our team are ranked d3 or below. I play on the same team as him does that mean i should not have been allowed to play? It seems like too many people are worried about one person instead of playing. And no one tried to sneak anything past the nppl so stop acting like we were breaking the rules. by the way none of us have played any bit of 7 man this year at all nor did we practice for this event.
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Huntington Beach 2009 - Ex-pro players playing D2 7 man. APPA was used.

"Sandbagging" is going to happen in some form or another, whether an awesome system is used or not. It appears, however, that the APPA has player rankings down pretty well, and it is very hard for a team to get away with what would be deemed as an illegal roster.
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Huntington Beach 2009 - Ex-pro players playing D2 7 man. APPA was used.

"Sandbagging" is going to happen in some form or another, whether an awesome system is used or not. It appears, however, that the APPA has player rankings down pretty well, and it is very hard for a team to get away with what would be deemed as an illegal roster.
Yep just went and looked at a few rosters and to my susprise a few have this WOW is all I can say. Not sure if they were classed at the end of the season or before though and I didnt add up the numbers. Question does a staff player receive credit = scores for the team also. Looked at a few others also and the staff received credit also???? I also use APPA and have never received credit for being staff/coach.
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The rest of the players on our team are ranked d3 or below. I play on the same team as him does that mean i should not have been allowed to play? It seems like too many people are worried about one person instead of playing. And no one tried to sneak anything past the nppl so stop acting like we were breaking the rules. by the way none of us have played any bit of 7 man this year at all nor did we practice for this event. Just stop acting like a punk for real
The reason were concerned about this is to put a stop to it whenever it is caught. I have been looking at your rosters and his and I personally have found a few issues and will bring it to the proper folks in the NPPL. I will let them handle what I think I have found. Thanks for helping destroy the integrity of the sport champ.

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Huntington Beach 2009 - Ex-pro players playing D2 7 man. APPA was used.

"Sandbagging" is going to happen in some form or another, whether an awesome system is used or not. It appears, however, that the APPA has player rankings down pretty well, and it is very hard for a team to get away with what would be deemed as an illegal roster.
^^^ he has a point!! ^^^
I played with the team you speak of and there were two ex pros on our team and a ex semi pro... on a d2 team yet there wasnt a big thread full of people crying about people playing out of rank. I have played D432 the last two years but never played a NPPL event, when i went to HB to get my ID (which i pre ordered online) i got an id with my name and rank as D4? whats the problem?
if a D5 team signed up to play D2, Ill bet a pay check that no D2 team would go up to team and say, hey your playing out of rank and we dont wanna play your team for that reason
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WE DIDNT CRY NOR DID ANY OF THE TEAMS WE PLAYED
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