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Old 05-20-2010, 11:54 AM #22
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Nice copypasta, too bad its wrong.
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Old 05-20-2010, 01:08 PM #23
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not sure where you get that it is wrong from care to enlighten?

and yes i copied it from a friends thread on a different forum because it is good info straight out of a text book
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Old 05-20-2010, 01:27 PM #24
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This is America put it in g per lb of body weight you damn jap.

At any rate that seems like way too many carbs, a little too heavy on fat and too low on protein for the typical lifter's diet.

Considering this person is looking to cut it is definitely way too many carbs.
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Old 05-20-2010, 01:45 PM #25
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thats a rather common misconception

the typical american diet consists of way more protein then the typical none elite athlete needs

btw im american

and yes i subscribed to the 40p/40c/20f diet guidelines for a long time and tried this out after someone whos opinion on the subject mater brought this to my attention since then i will not turn back i have seen nothing but gains on a similar diet plan with 0 supplements

i honestly recommend giving it a try at worst you decide you dont like it and waste a couple months what is there to lose really?

keep in mind that carbs are the bodies primary source of energy not only for lifting but for things like basic brain function and what happens to the unused/unneed protein its either expelled from the body in a thunderous **** or it is kept and stored as fat

ever hear of the food pyramid? there is a reason grains and other carbs are the largest section and meats/dairy are a significantly smaller section

.8 to 2.0g protein per 2.2lb bodyweight
5 to10g carbs per 2.2lb bodyweight (high end, athletes; low end, physically active people)
1 to 2g fat per 2.2lb bodyweight

Pre-workout carbs:
1 g/2.2lb 1 hour before
2 g/2.2lb2 hours before

During workout carbs:
60-80g per hour

Post-workout
1.5 g/2.2lb 1 hour after (carbs)
.75 to 1.5 g/2.2lb 1-3 hours after (carbs)
.1 g/2.2lb 1 hour after (protein)

Pre-workout water:
.5 L 1-2 hours prior

Daily water need:
1ml per calorie consumed.

Protein: 1g = 4 cal
Carbs: 1g = 4 cal
Fat: 1g = 9 cal

1kg=2.2lb its not that hard of a conversion and its not like kg is a very odd unit of measure now had i given it in stones yea that would be a pain in the ***

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Old 05-20-2010, 05:44 PM #26
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I have a Masters degree in Nutrition. For what he's trying to do, that's wrong.

Also, the Food Pyramid is a joke.
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thats a rather common misconception

the typical american diet consists of way more protein then the typical none elite athlete needs
What America are you living in? Because the one I am in people just overeat in general and thus get too much of all three macronutrients. Though, of all the 3 the one they (AMERICANS) overeat the most would have to be carbs, unless it is a concerned fat person then often it is fats through the ranch they poor on their "healthy" sandwiches and salads.

I have seen many people who compete post up logs and often they just go by a simple 40/40/20 while bulking and generally a high protein low carb diet when cutting.

You sir are wrong, now leave.
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What America are you living in? Because the one I am in people just overeat in general and thus get too much of all three macronutrients. Though, of all the 3 the one they (AMERICANS) overeat the most would have to be carbs, unless it is a concerned fat person then often it is fats through the ranch they poor on their "healthy" sandwiches and salads.

I have seen many people who compete post up logs and often they just go by a simple 40/40/20 while bulking and generally a high protein low carb diet when cutting.

You sir are wrong, now leave.
Agreed, true we get more protein because Americans eat more meat then most people in the world, but we're all over weight fatasses.
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just do some ****ing cardio

HIIT like you described isnt going to help you. stay arobic
HIIT>cardio for fat loss.
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HIIT>cardio for fat loss.
The point is he doesn't NEED to lose weight, he's like a 14 year old anorexic girl.
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What America are you living in? Because the one I am in people just overeat in general and thus get too much of all three macronutrients. Though, of all the 3 the one they (AMERICANS) overeat the most would have to be carbs, unless it is a concerned fat person then often it is fats through the ranch they poor on their "healthy" sandwiches and salads.

I have seen many people who compete post up logs and often they just go by a simple 40/40/20 while bulking and generally a high protein low carb diet when cutting.

You sir are wrong, now leave.
So what your attempting to tell me is that my direct experience is wrong

Good job looking like a clown

In the end your not a elite athlete and you don't train like one so why would you eat like one? Don't get all insecure because what you think you know is not fact

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So what your attempting to tell me is that my direct experience is wrong

Good job looking like a clown

In the end your not a elite athlete and you don't train like one so why would you eat like one? Don't get all insecure because what you think you know is not fact
Pics?

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What's the difference between an elite athlete and someone who trains like one? One is a millionaire and the other isn't?
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So what your attempting to tell me is that my direct experience is wrong

Good job looking like a clown

In the end your not a elite athlete and you don't train like one so why would you eat like one? Don't get all insecure because what you think you know is not fact
I'm an "elite" athlete, I train like one. I warm up with your maxes. YOURE WRONG.
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Old 05-20-2010, 11:52 PM #36
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So what your attempting to tell me is that my direct experience is wrong

Good job looking like a clown

In the end your not a elite athlete and you don't train like one so why would you eat like one? Don't get all insecure because what you think you know is not fact
its funny how kids think there diet is all right an ****, but then u find out they're like triple stacking pro hormones.
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One moron exits, another enters.
This, hopefully original moron returns though because we were just getting started.
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HIIT>cardio for fat loss.
, weve been over this countless times. while HIIT has its place in any workout regiment it isnt really all that amazing in temrs of weight loss especially the ones bodybuilders favor. does it burn fat, without a doubt but anarobic workouts primerly burn glucose present within the muscles already. arobic worjouts on the other hand stimulates muscles to release fat and other stored energy that while burned slower is a better result. look into the atp light/dark cycle if you dont believe me.

heres another way to look at it

your muscles are a rack of ribs

you can take a torch to it and cook em in 5 seconds
or you can smoke them for a couple hours
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Oh my jesus, I had no idea I was making crappy tasting muscles.
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Pics?

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no pics and my lifts are particularly impressive do to some nice knee/shoulder injuries when i was 16-17

due to my lacking range of motion in my left shoulder(30% loss in my left shoulder when compared to my right shoulder according to the surgeon) i cant bench heavy or do motions like dips and due to torn cartilage in my right knee my squats are rather lacking

so progress for me is not what most would call great anyway my workouts tend to be more to maintain stability in my shoulder/knee so i don't have to have another surgery and add muscle which is a slow process when you cant up weight very frequently

when i do bench i usually go for 15 reps with 185lbs over 5 sets
never really squat much over 200 and again going for reps in a similar fashion to what i do on bench
and dead lift 275-295

hardly impressive to most but given the injuries ive had ill take what i can get and im happy with the progress ive made especially since i basically had to start from scratch about a year after surgery with a significant amount of muscle atrophy from 3-4months spent in a sling
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Oh my jesus, I had no idea I was making crappy tasting muscles.
ok i lol'd at this one seriously

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I'm an "elite" athlete, I train like one. I warm up with your maxes. YOURE WRONG.
sorry but im not taking some guys word on the internet

if im wrong find some supporting evidence and post it i didnt write what it was that i posted it came from a text box

and no your probably not a elite athlete and you probably train nothing like one

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no pics and my lifts are particularly impressive do to some nice knee/shoulder injuries when i was 16-17

due to my lacking range of motion in my left shoulder(30% loss in my left shoulder when compared to my right shoulder according to the surgeon) i cant bench heavy or do motions like dips and due to torn cartilage in my right knee my squats are rather lacking

so progress for me is not what most would call great anyway my workouts tend to be more to maintain stability in my shoulder/knee so i don't have to have another surgery and add muscle which is a slow process when you cant up weight very frequently

when i do bench i usually go for 15 reps with 185lbs over 5 sets
never really squat much over 200 and again going for reps in a similar fashion to what i do on bench
and dead lift 275-295

hardly impressive to most but given the injuries ive had ill take what i can get and im happy with the progress ive made especially since i basically had to start from scratch about a year after surgery with a significant amount of muscle atrophy from 3-4months spent in a sling
Don't try to play the pity card after you've already come in and insulted me when you don't know me.

Here is what I have done with just 6.5 months of MY dieting:
5'3"

128-155 lbs without increasing my bf too much

Bench 115x8-185x5
Deadlift 185x5-355x3
Squat 135x4 (1/4 reps) - 255x6 (ATG)

Keep in mind all my knowledge was started from scratch 6.5 moths ago too, so I had to learn about training/eating as I went along.

So let me know where I have failed in my training/nutrition.

Also, lmk if you want me to go find logs of bodybuilders who compete that post up diets that are completely contradictory of the **** you posted.
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