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Old 05-07-2010, 01:31 AM #43
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You can still Run the Phenom on CO2 correct
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:07 AM #44
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Old 05-07-2010, 04:26 PM #45
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Ok I picked up the Phenom today. What are the recommended upgrades ?
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Old 05-07-2010, 04:33 PM #46
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virtually indestructible! my A5 and X7 have been in the mud, snow, rain, dropped, smashed off trees and covered in spray...AND STILL SHOOT THROUGH ANYTHING. great investment.
My SP-1 can do the same. For about half that price.
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Old 05-07-2010, 04:40 PM #47
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dont be silly! j/k reasons i dont particularly, like the sp-1 vertical feed. and poor performance on co2 and in cold weather. But its really not a bad marker, it looks like its a tippmann.
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Old 05-07-2010, 10:41 PM #48
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Never had a prob in cold weather and I live in Canada. As for the Co2, at least the marker has a reg.
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Old 05-08-2010, 11:45 AM #49
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Ah, its just what i've heard about the gun, no personal experience, but i've heard it from multiple people. How much experience do they have..... i dunno...
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Old 05-08-2010, 12:48 PM #50
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Never had a prob in cold weather and I live in Canada. As for the Co2, at least the marker has a reg.
The Phenom has a reg also.

There is nothing wrong with the SP1. However, in the long run
he is better off with the Tippmann. Tippmann Customer service
is second to none, Smart Parts as we all know no longer has customer
service. It's too bad, I kind of liked their Shocker platform.
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Old 05-08-2010, 02:12 PM #51
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My SP-1 can do the same. For about half that price.
tippmann > sp1
tippmann is wayyyyyyy more reliable
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Old 05-08-2010, 03:17 PM #52
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I'm going to break with the party line a little here and say that although Tippmann is (one of) the most durable, reliable brands on the market today, I think the industry as a whole has let its QC standards drop, and even though Tippmanns warranty (and out of warranty) service IS SECOND TO NONE, I find a lot of people in our club needing replacement parts more often that I remember in earlier times.
I would definitley agree. After the corporate takeover of Tippmann, their QC and general quality dropped like a rock. Still good markers, but I'd take a M98 over a newer 98C any day.
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Old 05-08-2010, 05:32 PM #53
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I would definitley agree. After the corporate takeover of Tippmann, their QC and general quality dropped like a rock. Still good markers, but I'd take a M98 over a newer 98C any day.
I'd take a 98C over a M98 any day as long as its a 98C with the older style sear. With the newer sear design for the newer 98C's, the quality dropped. Still good guns though, but my older style 98C out lives the new ones in pure reliability.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:45 AM #54
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Ok I picked up the Phenom today. What are the recommended upgrades ?
My Phenom had a very slight leak from the firing pin and a problem with paint breaking due to a very rough face on the bolt. Both are easy fixes. Check out my post on X7OG.net for some photos and instructions on smoothing the bolt face.

http://www.x7og.net/phenom-mods-upgr...enom-bolt.html

A little grease stopped the firing pin leak.

It's running great now.
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:28 PM #55
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Let's not turn this into a versus thread, please keep the talk about Tippmann markers.

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I would definitley agree. After the corporate takeover of Tippmann, their QC and general quality dropped like a rock. Still good markers, but I'd take a M98 over a newer 98C any day.
I'd have to disagree. I haven't had any noticeable issues with the newer markers (98c's & A-5's) compared to my older ones. I still don't mind lending out either to a newer player or friend. If they can break it, it's probably an easy fix. If it's not, Tippmanns customer service is still there. Which is still some of the best I have ever had to deal with in any industry. Of course this is just my own experience and it may not be the same for everyone.
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Old 05-10-2010, 04:10 PM #56
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I can testify to Tippmann's excellent customer service. I lost a BL screw while it was still under warranty and called Tippmann and they shipped me a new one. They WERE friendly, they WERE professional, and the screw came in less than a week. in fact i remember the guy saying "ok, Kevin, We'll get you that part" and he said it very confident and assuringly. I have the old sear style 98C and it works quite lovely. havent shot a new one btu i have shot an e-gripped alpha black. it was alright.
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:50 PM #57
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Ok I picked up the Phenom today. What are the recommended upgrades ?
probably a new barrel. Tippmann is not known for making very good barrels.
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:27 AM #58
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I'd have to disagree. I haven't had any noticeable issues with the newer markers (98c's & A-5's) compared to my older ones. I still don't mind lending out either to a newer player or friend. If they can break it, it's probably an easy fix. If it's not, Tippmanns customer service is still there. Which is still some of the best I have ever had to deal with in any industry. Of course this is just my own experience and it may not be the same for everyone.
It's not a necessarily a matter of things you can notice in short term use. The original M98 has an aluminium powertube, which to me is important as it is one of the very few parts that can be broken by regular usage. There are many other little things that have been a result of the new Chinese production practices, such as more powder-coat over-spray, more metal pitting, and lower tolerances.
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Old 05-11-2010, 02:19 AM #59
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Ok I picked up the Phenom today. What are the recommended upgrades ?
My recommended upgrades are paint, air, and time. The Phenom doesn't need any upgrades to start off with, get out there and game on! After a few games, come back and ask again.
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personally i would play with the marker a few games...find it's shortcomings if any and then change them. you can put many cosmetic "mods" on tippmanns but that is more of a preference. performance is key. aesthetics come later.
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Old 05-11-2010, 02:41 PM #61
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I'd stick an APEX tip on the end of it...maybe a barrel, thats about it.
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It's not a necessarily a matter of things you can notice in short term use. The original M98 has an aluminium powertube, which to me is important as it is one of the very few parts that can be broken by regular usage. There are many other little things that have been a result of the new Chinese production practices, such as more powder-coat over-spray, more metal pitting, and lower tolerances.
All the M98's I've seen/worked on came with plastic powertubes, I believe the aluminum ones have always been an aftermarket upgrade. I've also never heard of the stock powertubes breaking in record numbers, especially considering the numbers that have been produced. It's probably more common for a sear or rear bolt to wear out before the powertube breaks with regular usage, just my opinion.

The over spray seems to be a hit or miss. I've seen both newer and older markers with some over spray and others with almost none. I can double check but I'm pretty sure both my 98CP PS have none. If they do it's not really a big concern for me, 10 mins with some household items and the receivers halves can be nice and smooth.

Tippmanns, both new and old, are still some of the most reliable and durable markers you can get IMO. I don't hesitate to buy one used or loan out the ones that I already own.

I'm about to leave work but feel free to PM me to discuss this further.

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personally i would play with the marker a few games...find it's shortcomings if any and then change them. you can put many cosmetic "mods" on tippmanns but that is more of a preference. performance is key. aesthetics come later.
Excellent advice , play with your new marker and upgrade the areas you feel need it.
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Old 05-16-2010, 09:52 AM #63
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The Cyclone Feed Upgrade Kit from TechT..is it needed ?...and does a flatline barrel really make a difference ?
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