[PBTriChick]

I am appalled at the amount of smoking that went on at the tables and on the sidelines of this first event.

Let's start with the fact that Lori put in the email that smoking was only to occur in the parking lot. Then add in the number of CHILDREN at the event. Next all of us with asthma.

Against all of that those of you smoking are THAT self centered? really?

I am a physician, with asthma, who was there with my 2 children, 12 and 14, who also have asthma. Never mind that it is beyond me how anyone wants to call themselves an athlete and smoke. I am not your physician - you want to kill yourself fine, but keep it away from the rest of us.

And don't think that it is only a problem for people around you with asthma. Second hand smoke is a KNOWN issue

Environmental Tobacco Smoke: Respiratory and Other Health Effects

Clinics in Chest Medicine - Volume 28, Issue 3 (September 2007)

In general, people are better informed about the risks of active smoking than the dangers of environmental tobacco smoke (ETS). As more information is gathered, however, it has become clear that the dangers of ETS are undeniable. There is no safe level of exposure to ETS. In the 2006 Surgeon General's report on secondhand smoke, Dr. Richard H. Carmona declared, “the debate is over.” The data reported since the landmark 1986 Surgeon General's report on the health hazards of secondhand smoke documents beyond any doubt that second hand smoke harms people's health. Millions of Americans still are exposed to ETS in their homes and workplaces despite the considerable progress in tobacco control. Written by 22 scientists, the 2006 Surgeon General's report was reviewed by at least 40 peer reviewers and 30 independent investigators [1]. The damaging effects of ETS reach far beyond the lungs. As discussed in this article, multiple body systems are harmed. The recognized adverse health effects of ETS exposure include chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD); asthma; upper and lower respiratory tract infections; cardiovascular disease; lung, breast, and cervical cancer; and childhood illnesses, such as middle ear disease and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). It is reported that ETS exposure is the third leading cause of preventable death in the United States, resulting in more than 50,000 deaths per year [2]. The United States Environmental Protection Agency classifies ETS as a group A carcinogen, given the large number of known or suspected carcinogens in tobacco smoke [3].

PLEASE stop endangering all our lives and if you really have to smoke GO TO THE PARKING LOT.

[PlanetBozrah]

I did notice that too...there were a few players lighting up as soon as they left the field of play.

[TheTroglobite]

Originally Posted by PBTriChick

I am appalled at the amount of smoking that went on at the tables and on the sidelines of this first event.

Let's start with the fact that Lori put in the email that smoking was only to occur in the parking lot. Then add in the number of CHILDREN at the event. Next all of us with asthma.

Against all of that those of you smoking are THAT self centered? really?

I am a physician, with asthma, who was there with my 2 children, 12 and 14, who also have asthma. Never mind that it is beyond me how anyone wants to call themselves an athlete and smoke. I am not your physician - you want to kill yourself fine, but keep it away from the rest of us.

And don't think that it is only a problem for people around you with asthma. Second hand smoke is a KNOWN issue

Environmental Tobacco Smoke: Respiratory and Other Health Effects

Clinics in Chest Medicine - Volume 28, Issue 3 (September 2007)

In general, people are better informed about the risks of active smoking than the dangers of environmental tobacco smoke (ETS). As more information is gathered, however, it has become clear that the dangers of ETS are undeniable. There is no safe level of exposure to ETS. In the 2006 Surgeon General's report on secondhand smoke, Dr. Richard H. Carmona declared, “the debate is over.” The data reported since the landmark 1986 Surgeon General's report on the health hazards of secondhand smoke documents beyond any doubt that second hand smoke harms people's health. Millions of Americans still are exposed to ETS in their homes and workplaces despite the considerable progress in tobacco control. Written by 22 scientists, the 2006 Surgeon General's report was reviewed by at least 40 peer reviewers and 30 independent investigators [1]. The damaging effects of ETS reach far beyond the lungs. As discussed in this article, multiple body systems are harmed. The recognized adverse health effects of ETS exposure include chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD); asthma; upper and lower respiratory tract infections; cardiovascular disease; lung, breast, and cervical cancer; and childhood illnesses, such as middle ear disease and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). It is reported that ETS exposure is the third leading cause of preventable death in the United States, resulting in more than 50,000 deaths per year [2]. The United States Environmental Protection Agency classifies ETS as a group A carcinogen, given the large number of known or suspected carcinogens in tobacco smoke [3].

PLEASE stop endangering all our lives and if you really have to smoke GO TO THE PARKING LOT.

It is a problem and it needs to be adressed.

[ih8imps]

Agree with OP 100%

Definitely an issue that needs to be addressed.

[FullMetalJester]

I think it's silly complain about smoking OUTSIDE... But the refs were smoking too If you want to nitpicking.

[PlanetBozrah]

What's so hard about walking 100ft to the parking lot to smoke? Lori did post the rule and if the refs were doin it too that doesn't make it right.

Doesn't matter if your inside or outside......smoke in your face is smoke in your face. Member of my team smoke and respectfully walked to the smoking area.

Btw she is a DOCTOR.... I think she knows the risks of second hand smoke

[kuski19]

I don't play this tournament series but its dumb to complain about second hand smoke outside. It takes people years and years of smoking a pack a day to develop lung cancer, and non smokers feel that one breath of smoke is going to kill them.

[PBTriChick]

Originally Posted by kuski19

I don't play this tournament series but its dumb to complain about second hand smoke outside. It takes people years and years of smoking a pack a day to develop lung cancer, and non smokers feel that one breath of smoke is going to kill them.

My asthma is STILL bothering me today. So you are wrong. I will put up my medical degree from Yale against your opinion here.

Second hand smoke even outside TRIGGERS DISEASE. My boys and I had issues with breathing both days, at night, not to mention the cumulative effects.

There is a reason TOWNS are outlawing smoking ANYWHERE outside or inside. This is not just a made up concern. The data is strong. If you like I will put up ALL the research rather than just a review article.

[pballer2786]

Originally Posted by kuski19

I don't play this tournament series but its dumb to complain about second hand smoke outside. It takes people years and years of smoking a pack a day to develop lung cancer, and non smokers feel that one breath of smoke is going to kill them.

Yeah but read her post... she has kids and herself with asthma. Even a bit of that smoke can trigger an asthma exacerbation...

[PBTriChick]

Originally Posted by FullMetalJester

I think it's silly complain about smoking OUTSIDE... But the refs were smoking too If you want to nitpicking.

Increased risk of all lung diseases, just the smell on clothing will trigger asthma and in fact CAUSE it in children, increase risks of ALL cancers - did you read the review above before you posted your opinion?

And the refs smoking are an issue too.

Not to mention that lighting up near compressed tanks is not a winning idea either.

[PlanetBozrah]

Originally Posted by kuski19

I don't play this tournament series but its dumb to complain about second hand smoke outside. It takes people years and years of smoking a pack a day to develop lung cancer, and non smokers feel that one breath of smoke is going to kill them.

No offense but dude.....she is a DOCTOR!!!! its hard to argue with that.

Why cant smokers take a walk? No one is sayin you cant do it...just do it in the place your supposed to thats all!

[Stealth47]

Originally Posted by PlanetBozrah

Btw she is a DOCTOR.... I think she knows the risks of second hand smoke

just to let you know doctors a while back said that weed can kill you...


But yea, i dont think it would be that big of a deal to have smokeing players go to the parkinglot. There were lots of kids around and we were pretty close to eachother table wise.

[PlanetBozrah]

Originally Posted by Stealth47

just to let you know doctors a while back said that weed can kill you...

Now thats another argument....lol Is that allowed in the p lot? jkjk!

[Logan_Dizzle]

I'm surprised you aren't up in arms about the drinking that went on at the event.....I don't care about any of it but you should have told lori so she could make an announcement to kill it instantly. People are only human.

Not trying to discredit or argue with this but I know a guy who is a doctor too. He's a doctor of plants. You can have a doctrate in a lot of frivolious things. So anyone that posted saying dood she's a doctor listen. Would you listen to a plant doctor? Just saying.

[danbob1088]

Originally Posted by Logan_Dizzle

I'm surprised you aren't up in arms about the drinking that went on at the event.....I don't care about any of it but you should have told lori so she could make an announcement to kill it instantly. People are only human.

Not trying to discredit or argue with this but I know a guy who is a doctor too. He's a doctor of plants. You can have a doctrate in a lot of frivolious things. So anyone that posted saying dood she's a doctor listen. Would you listen to a plant doctor? Just saying.

Drinking around someone doesn't cause cancer or serious medical issues for that other person.

[Stealth47]

Originally Posted by danbob1088

Drinking around someone doesn't cause cancer or serious medical issues for that other person.

I agree with this. Having a drink or 2 is fine. It doesnt really affect people around you. And if you have no self control then matters will be taken and youll be escorted off.

[PBTriChick]

I have no issues with drinking.

My M.D. is from Yale, my undergrad from Brown, my premeds at Stanford and I did my residency in Family Medicine at Oregon Health Sciences University (OHSU). I am frequently on Fox, Fox News, CNN, ABC as a medical expert - not in plants, in humans. I teach medical students from BU and Tufts as well. All that to clarity that indeed I am an expert on this one. Second hand smoke, as indicated in the CONSENSUS statement I put in the first post IS A DANGER TO OTHERS.

If you want to smoke - fine just don't do it near me or my kids - have just a little bit of COURTESY.

really unbelievable that you are that narcissistic that you cannot curtail your smoking around others - particularly CHILDREN and asthmatics who can be immediately affected by it.

[Uncle Mike]

Drinking!!! at an event. I've been playing NEPL's for twelve years and have never seen any drinking going on. It's against the rules!!!

[jerzyballer]

wow tis thread is epic fail.....if someones smoking around and it bothers you...walk away...you cant hold people to the same values you have...thats insane..personally i smoke, just a couple a day but still smoke..if there is a kid around ill take it elsewhere...but if your a capible adult and you dont like it take a walk....and as far as something being posted as a rule and not being followed..well dont blame the violator, blame the authority for not enforcing policy...

[Stealth47]

Originally Posted by PBTriChick

I have no issues with drinking.

My M.D. is from Yale, my undergrad from Brown, my premeds at Stanford and I did my residency in Family Medicine at Oregon Health Sciences University (OHSU). I am frequently on Fox, Fox News, CNN, ABC as a medical expert - not in plants, in humans. I teach medical students from BU and Tufts as well. All that to clarity that indeed I am an expert on this one. Second hand smoke, as indicated in the CONSENSUS statement I put in the first post IS A DANGER TO OTHERS.

If you want to smoke - fine just don't do it near me or my kids - have just a little bit of COURTESY.

really unbelievable that you are that narcissistic that you cannot curtail your smoking around others - particularly CHILDREN and asthmatics who can be immediately affected by it.

Were you a player? Or just at the event taking a look,or you knew someone playing.

[fluffy86]

It is a rule, however not strictly enforced. In past events I go to Lori throughout the day to make the announcement over the speakers of smoking in the parking lot, that helps.