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Old 04-26-2010, 12:45 PM #43
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regardless of all of it. When a ref calls you out, you are out. I LOVE watching people look for the hits before they are willing to leave their bunker. Has anyone, except some Pros, ever talked a ref out of an elimination? Waste of time and energy, even if the ref IS wrong.

They call you out, just get out of your bunker and go to the deadbox. It happens all the time, good call or bad. Life goes on and there is always the next game, event or tourney.
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Old 04-26-2010, 12:58 PM #44
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Give them time they will more than likely let you know when they are up. It takes time to get all the photos they took uploaded and edited.

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Sorry but that is not true, just another magical rule that everyone claims is in the current rulebook, but has yet to be found. If a ref sees a paintball break on you, you are out whether or not a mark is left.
In the captains meeting they said for some reason they didn't have it in the rulebook this year but were still using it, and for as long as I have been playing it has always been a rule and am sure always will be.
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The quarter rule is used when a referee sees paint on a player but did not observe the shot that broke on the player. If a ref sees a ball break off a player there does not have to be any paint. It is in the GPL rules under section 18.01 and reads as follows,
"If a Referee does not see a paintball shot by a live member of the opposing team or the player's own team strike that player or anything he or she is wearing or carrying, but that player or player's equipment is marked with paint, then such player will be eliminated. Generally, if the paint marking is reasonably solid and the size of a quarter or to be determined by a ref to be large enough, it will be considered a valid hit. If the referee witnesses the ball hit and break and leaves less than a quarter size it will be considered a valid hit."
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In the captains meeting they said for some reason they didn't have it in the rulebook this year but were still using it, and for as long as I have been playing it has always been a rule and am sure always will be.
For as long as I have played PSP it was not a rule. I believe NPPL had a rule about the size that must be left, but I am not 100% as I do not play that format. Although I cannot say what was said for this year, in the past 3-4 years of reffing GPL never was I informed that there needed to be a certain sized mark to be considered a valid hit, so long as I saw it break on a player. Perhaps Big E will clarify this rule so everyone is on the same page.
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There are two sections to the rule book there is a hit and an elimination page. You can be hit to be eliminated, however there are many reasons to be eliminated. You can argue semantics all you want. However Sean aka WKSO1 has been one of my accomplished referees having refereed more than 4 years of GPL and PSP with me.

What people don't get it yes there is a Hit rule, but that is not the only way you become eliminated.

Rick Guyer my co-ultimate gave this analogy at the captains meeting and i hope everyone here understands. I am not going to make any sort of change to the way this call is made. Nothing has changed in my time as GPL/MAPL ultimate judge and the way a call is made.

If a referee sees a ball strike a player or that players equipment, and the impact causes the ball the crack and release paint REGARDLESS of whether it leaves a mark, you may be called eliminated.

The way Rick presented it at the captains meeting was this. If you as a player were battling another player, and they came way out off a bunker, so much so that I know that there is ZERO% possibility that spray is from a bunker and you watch you ball hit their hopper and flash off, regardless of whether the ball that impacted left a "quarter sized marker" on their hopper at the other end of the field, DO YOU EXPECT THE REFEREE TO PULL THAT PLAYER OUT?

DO YOU ON THE SIDELINES GET PISSED WHEN YOU SEE THE FLASH OF A HOPPER AND ALTHOUGH YOU MAY NOT BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO SEE THE SIZE OF THE MARK, YOU SAW THE IMPACT AND FOLLOWING SPRAY FROM THE HIT IN THE AIR AND A REF DOESN'T PULL THEM BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT HAVE SEEN IT OR WHEN THEY GET THERE, THERE IS NO PAINT AND THEY LET THEM STAY IN?


If you answered YES to either of the above questions. Then you have solved your own problem.

I will be the first to tell you that the biggest issue was ONE particular paint brand from the event. It was very hard. What was happening more than ANY time I have refereed in the last few years is the ball would often hit or skim off a pack or the top of a hopper or mask, and make the flash, but the ball would not fully open up as you would expect.

I am not going to make apologies for what people feel are phantom paint hits. Again, you answered yes to either of my questions then you have satisfied and validated the way the GPL/MAPL makes the call and will continue to make the calls.
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18.01 and reads as follows,
"If the referee witnesses the ball hit and break and leaves less than a quarter size it will be considered a valid hit."
Thank you Mr. Rush :-)
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Old 04-26-2010, 02:43 PM #51
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Just a heads up the website and rules need to be updated regarding the rate of fire for 3/5 man.


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nice pics. Of course my snake guy gets the glory.

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Old 04-26-2010, 02:49 PM #53
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Just a heads up the website and rules need to be updated regarding the rate of fire for 3/5 man.



Actually, I do have one minor gripe about this weekend. There seemed to be a LOT of people shooting faster than 12, and no checks on that. It sounded to me like most people were up in the 15 range. We had ours set to 11, just to be sure we were OK.
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Trust me I was VERY busy with the ROF Timer. I only pulled 3 guns all weekend out of the 20 or so I personally checked for penalties. This did not include Bik who had his own and was helping train my new Admins

YOU DON'T want to be in the naughty chair! Players who had illegal guns had to sit with the admin until their penalty was served out on game time.

Yes. There was a miscommunication between myself and Cyndi regarding the Rate of Fire cap. My intention when looking over the rules this spring were to have the Semi Uncapped for 7 man only and CAPPED 12.5 for the 3 & 5 man to be in agreement with the PSP standards.

This was addressed on both days in the morning early and dealt with accordingly. I will take full blame for the mix up - however I will also take responsibility that we addressed it and fixed it.
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of course snake guys get all the glory we do the hard work. lol
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For as long as I have played PSP it was not a rule. I believe NPPL had a rule about the size that must be left, but I am not 100% as I do not play that format. Although I cannot say what was said for this year, in the past 3-4 years of reffing GPL never was I informed that there needed to be a certain sized mark to be considered a valid hit, so long as I saw it break on a player. Perhaps Big E will clarify this rule so everyone is on the same page.
I was agreeing with what you said.
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If a paintball hits a player and "breaks" but leaves no mark they ref can pull that player.. That's not a bogus call.. its just the rules. Trust me you are not the only one in paintball it has ever happened.
actually the rule book sts
" If the referee witnesses the ball hit and break and leaves less than a quarter size it will be considered a valid hit."

so technically it has to leave some paint on you for it to be a valid hit where he saw it break.... but overall the ref did a good job at the event
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actually the rule book sts
" If the referee witnesses the ball hit and break and leaves less than a quarter size it will be considered a valid hit."

so technically it has to leave some paint on you for it to be a valid hit where he saw it break.... but overall the ref did a good job at the event
No a mark is not needed... you obviously read nothing that Big E posted, did you..

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There are two sections to the rule book there is a hit and an elimination page. You can be hit to be eliminated, however there are many reasons to be eliminated. You can argue semantics all you want. However Sean aka WKSO1 has been one of my accomplished referees having refereed more than 4 years of GPL and PSP with me.

What people don't get it yes there is a Hit rule, but that is not the only way you become eliminated.

Rick Guyer my co-ultimate gave this analogy at the captains meeting and i hope everyone here understands. I am not going to make any sort of change to the way this call is made. Nothing has changed in my time as GPL/MAPL ultimate judge and the way a call is made.

If a referee sees a ball strike a player or that players equipment, and the impact causes the ball the crack and release paint REGARDLESS of whether it leaves a mark, you may be called eliminated.

The way Rick presented it at the captains meeting was this. If you as a player were battling another player, and they came way out off a bunker, so much so that I know that there is ZERO% possibility that spray is from a bunker and you watch you ball hit their hopper and flash off, regardless of whether the ball that impacted left a "quarter sized marker" on their hopper at the other end of the field, DO YOU EXPECT THE REFEREE TO PULL THAT PLAYER OUT?

DO YOU ON THE SIDELINES GET PISSED WHEN YOU SEE THE FLASH OF A HOPPER AND ALTHOUGH YOU MAY NOT BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO SEE THE SIZE OF THE MARK, YOU SAW THE IMPACT AND FOLLOWING SPRAY FROM THE HIT IN THE AIR AND A REF DOESN'T PULL THEM BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT HAVE SEEN IT OR WHEN THEY GET THERE, THERE IS NO PAINT AND THEY LET THEM STAY IN?


If you answered YES to either of the above questions. Then you have solved your own problem.

I will be the first to tell you that the biggest issue was ONE particular paint brand from the event. It was very hard. What was happening more than ANY time I have refereed in the last few years is the ball would often hit or skim off a pack or the top of a hopper or mask, and make the flash, but the ball would not fully open up as you would expect.

I am not going to make apologies for what people feel are phantom paint hits. Again, you answered yes to either of my questions then you have satisfied and validated the way the GPL/MAPL makes the call and will continue to make the calls.
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No a mark is not needed... you obviously read nothing that Big E posted, did you..
i see why some people are not happy with the reffng in the past it leaves alot of grey area and room to argue .... it should be simple no paint no hit or vice versa cause there won't be questions of reffing calls but hey its their rules and if you want to play their league you gotta go by their rules.... is that the MAPL rules or is this for PSP too??
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Those have been the PSP rules for the last several years and the GPL rules as well. The MAPL has adopted them for the RACE-TO format.

The only "grey area" I see is if somehow a team thinks a ref is purposefully trying to screw them over. I would hope that isn't the case. If it is I hope that people would know that they can see me IMMEDIATELY or one of the Administrators of the league.
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Those have been the PSP rules for the last several years and the GPL rules as well. The MAPL has adopted them for the RACE-TO format.

The only "grey area" I see is if somehow a team thinks a ref is purposefully trying to screw them over. I would hope that isn't the case. If it is I hope that people would know that they can see me IMMEDIATELY or one of the Administrators of the league.
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Those have been the PSP rules for the last several years and the GPL rules as well. The MAPL has adopted them for the RACE-TO format.

The only "grey area" I see is if somehow a team thinks a ref is purposefully trying to screw them over. I would hope that isn't the case. If it is I hope that people would know that they can see me IMMEDIATELY or one of the Administrators of the league.
Always been my understanding. Just don't get shot and all is good.
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