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Old 04-27-2012, 01:34 AM #1
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Pulley system

Im getting my land ready for a few fields in my local city.. I would like step by step instructions on setting up the pulley systems. Ive read net installation guides, but i cant seem to find details on a pully system for lowing the nets.. images would be great
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:33 AM #2
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What is it about this post that bugs me so much?

It seems like a simple request: step by step instructions with pictures.

Oh yeah... I spent countless hours and many thousands of dollars to figure out the best way hang nets through trial and error and this fellow wants the scoop without any sort of courtship. Just pops on the site and demands very valuable information. Heck, he doesn't even say "please".
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:18 AM #3
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i hear you on that one.

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Old 04-27-2012, 09:45 PM #4
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will i guess if you would have asked for someone to help you instead of you knowing it all, you could have saved 1000's of dollars and a whole lot of headaches and aggravation, if u would have had the decency to ask like this gentleman, what happen to helping your fellow man
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:48 PM #5
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1. Layout of netted area.



 Depending on the size of the field 3 man, 5 man, 7 man, or 10 man, you will need to extend the perimeter 20 feet away from the nearest bunker on the tape lines and the back bunkers. This is the safety zone for speedball and to keep the balls from passing through the netting. Also you need a 15' buffer zone on the spectator side. Never allow spectators with out masks closer than 15'. Splatter and shell fragments can get into peoples eyes if they are closer than 15'.


 Poles should be at least 4 x 4 treated lumber (6 x 6 if windy) or 3-4 inch, thick walled tubing, preferably galvanized. Poles to be set 25 feet apart. Poles should be set at least 3 feet in the ground in concrete if possible. Pole length should be 15-16 feet long. Holes drilled on top and 38” from bottom (or equivalent distance) for eyelets to be bolted into poles for mounting hardware.



2. Mounting hardware



 Use high grade galvanized eyelets with a 2” hole on top and bottom of poles. Buy them long enough and with additional nuts and washers to place end of eyelet 4-6” away from pole. Use a 3/8” steel cable to tie the tops of the poles together and stake down at each corner. Utilize some sort of 3” corrugated pipe or material to make cable visual so people will not trip on wire or stakes. Protect stakes from anybody falling on them. This will keep the top taught and prevent sagging of the netting between poles and minimize the billowing effect of the netting. The eyelets will also keep the netting from rubbing against the poles and minimize splatter.


 Use nylon rope or 3/8 cable for bottom of netting and attach to the ground with stakes that penetrate 2” below ground to keep from people becoming injured. Tire inner tubes make great connectors as they stretch. This prevents netting blowing up.


 Use galvanized turnbuckles to tighten down the cabling between poles and on the corners of the poles. Use the correct size for the turnbuckles depending on the span, the size cable, and the amount of pull needed to straighten the poles and/or tighten the netting. Remember, bigger is better!


 If you are dealing with wind and billowing of the netting then we recommend that you “criss cross” nylon rope from pole to pole, top to bottom corners to prevent excessive billowing. Do this on the opposite side that the wind is blowing or on both sides as needed. Attach it to the eyelets that you placed on top and bottom.


 To attach the netting to the cable we recommend netting clips every 6”, or carabineers every 18” depending on netting style. There are other attachment devices available. If you have strong wind place every 1 inch.


 Netting must be placed on the outside of the poles from the windward side to help prevent billowing.


 Make sure to leave an entrance and exit for your players and refs. It is best not to have them touch the netting and to make a “Z” entrance where no balls can leave the area. Make it wide enough for 3-4 people wide to walk around and not hit the netting. This will take a couple of extra poles to accomplish and make your life a lot easier and your netting last a lot longer.


 Place boundary tape on the outside of the netting to keep people at least 3 feet from the netting to protect them and to keep the spray and paintballs from hitting them. This will also keep them from touching the netting.



20 Foot High



1. Material differences



 Poles need to be telephone poles 30 feet long. Steel 4 x 4 x 3/8 also work well. Sink into ground 5-6 feet and into concrete for stability.


 Depending on the wind velocity you want the poles at 20-25 foot spacing to assist against the billowing effects and blowing the netting and poles over.


 Make sure you use heavy-duty turnbuckles for the extra stress load with the larger netting surfaces.


 You may need to tie a rope from the top of the pole and stake out away from the netting if there are high winds.
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:54 AM #6
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do this and you don't have to use pulleys... hydro poles on 10' centres, 8' deep in the ground compacted by 3/4" down limestone. 20' nets up, 1/2" polyester rope (9600lb break strength) in Xs between each set of poles to prevent net from blowing off the poles. poles are on teh outside only to prevent paint from having a hard target, Xs inside to prevent net from wind-sailing.

only picture i'm posting, you'll get the rest figured out by trial and error, as we all did...

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Old 05-01-2012, 08:32 AM #7
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I just wanted to say that your field looks great. Your website is well done and the fields all look extremely professional.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:04 PM #8
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^^ like. thx, but it's not my work, props goes to my full time guys
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:36 AM #9
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^^ like. thx, but it's not my work, props goes to my full time guys
Awesome job, my gosh all those poles. Well worth the effort I'm sure. The poles must have cost a fortune.
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:08 PM #10
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you may want to use tie wrap as safty to hook up your net

we are in the woods so if a tree fall off on our net the tie wrap broke off before the net gets damage same thing with windy location
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:48 PM #11
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we've done the 50lb tie wraps before, but we'd need about 8 per pole spreading the load to not break one. our netting won't come down, ever. originally we thought the same, but it ended up being 4 3/4" by 7/16" carabiners that did the trick nicely!

Poles are relatively cheap once you have inside connections. we get semi loads of poles, mostly between 30 and 48 feet long, 40+ to a load, for ~$1200/load. that works out to $30/pole at most, usually less, including shipping to our yard. that's cheaper than 4x4 posts ... lol
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Old 05-04-2012, 08:26 PM #12
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Wow! Wish I had your connections! Cheapest I've found is about $100 each delivered! (and I've looked around! We're getting ready to open at the end of this month so I'm about to have to bite the bullet and just order them...) A friend at our local electric company has gotten us a few free ones they've taken down but still have to buy around 40.
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Old 05-05-2012, 12:57 AM #13
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where are you located? i'm in manitoba, canada, but there has to be options close to your location!
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:43 AM #14
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Texas. A little too far from Canada, lol! (sadly!)
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Old 05-05-2012, 09:16 AM #15
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im in texas whereabouts in TX are you i used to ref and co manage a local field in DFW but they closed down
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We're about 3 hours from the DFW area. Texarkana. Right in the corner by Arkansas and Louisiana.
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do this and you don't have to use pulleys... hydro poles on 10' centres, 8' deep in the ground compacted by 3/4" down limestone. 20' nets up, 1/2" polyester rope (9600lb break strength) in Xs between each set of poles to prevent net from blowing off the poles. poles are on teh outside only to prevent paint from having a hard target, Xs inside to prevent net from wind-sailing.

only picture i'm posting, you'll get the rest figured out by trial and error, as we all did...

so your rope X bracing for the net attaches above and below where the net runs correct? each X is 2 separate pieces of rope not a continuous piece right?
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Old 05-10-2012, 02:24 AM #18
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Our netting has a 1/2" steel cable on the top and bottom, zip tied to the netting every 4"s which keeps the net and cabling in one piece. Each pole has a massive eye hook on the top and bottom, and has a carabiner or snap hook going from the eye hook to the netting's steel cable. Each eye hook also has a 5/8" polyester rope going through the carabiners back and forth which tightens 3 sections at a time. The rope goes from the top, diagonal to the bottom, diagonal to the top again, and back to the bottom, which is then attached to a turnbuckle. A rope from the other side does the same, which ties onto the same turnbuckle, and then gets tightened down in uniform.

Ex.
starts top left
|\ | /|\ |
| \|/ | \|
to the right and down, to the right and up, to the right and down, tied on and tightened

then the reverse rope would do this. start top right, tie down bottom left and tighten.
| /|\ | /|
|/ | \|/ |

it's important to always have the tie downs at the bottom, so about a month after setup, you can repull them and reef them down once more after the wind has nicely tightened all your knots for you.

I should really just go take more close up pics and post them...

if the poles are 10' apart, the average distance each rope is traveling in the one diagonal is about 26' (the hypotenuse of 10' by 20'), so that would mean a total length of about 80' including some to tie off on after.

if each X between two poles at 10' spacing takes 2 ropes at 27' ea, then each 10' of netting setup would require 54' of roping. our nets are a total of 600' on the dot on that specific field, so we have about 3,200' of ropes. if rope is locally about 40c/ft on the nylon (8400lb break strength) or 45c/ft on the polyester (9600lb break strength and less stretch - perfect!), then a total cost of about $1,500 plus labour to ensure this sucker will never stretch out or pull down is well worth it!!

i should also get pics of when the wind is super strong, that shows EXACTLY why we do what we do!
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Each pole has a massive eye hook on the top and bottom, and has a carabiner or snap hook going from the eye hook to the netting's steel cable.
That pretty much answered my question, didnt know if your X bracing was on a separate eye hook from your net's steel cable.

Some closeups would be much appreciated if you could, and how you do the corners of your field.

You should just do a descriptive write up for fields

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we've done the 50lb tie wraps before, but we'd need about 8 per pole spreading the load to not break one. our netting won't come down, ever. originally we thought the same, but it ended up being 4 3/4" by 7/16" carabiners that did the trick nicely!

Poles are relatively cheap once you have inside connections. we get semi loads of poles, mostly between 30 and 48 feet long, 40+ to a load, for ~$1200/load. that works out to $30/pole at most, usually less, including shipping to our yard. that's cheaper than 4x4 posts ... lol
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