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Old 02-13-2005, 04:33 PM #1
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Exclamation Wrath Upgrades and Mods

YOUR ONE STOP THREAD FOR THE DIABLO WRATH

WORTHY WRATH VIDS:
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Wrath2 Posted by CombatSkin
http://www.liquidthinker.net/Theman/...pbrockstar.wmv Posted by the No Regard Team

DIABLO WRATH FAQ:
-Autococker Threads
-.693 Bore Stock Barrel
-Electropneumatic Air Ram Operation (spring return)
-Break Beam Eyes
-Odyssey/Dragun/Spyder Feedneck
-Built in QEV (DO NOT ADD ANOTHER ONE)
-Dual rubber detents
-VERY good stock HP regulator (+/- 4 fps AFTER broken in)
-25g Trigger Switch
-Stock ASA has non-standard dovetail mount (This means if you want to add a drop forward, you'll need to buy a drop, an on/off ASA and a macroline kit)
-Autococker Vertical ASA Compatable.
-2 Versions sold so far; 1st generation (Silver Jewels) and 2nd generation (Diablo Jewels)
-Dragun T1 valve compatable.*Not yet confirmed
-An HP tank is reccomended for the Wrath, though LP will work.
-Weighs in (without barrel) at 2lbs 11.8oz
-------Wrath Dimensions-------
Wrath height (bottom of grip frame to top of feedneck)--8 inches
Length from back of ram cap to front of barrel opening---7 7/8 inches
Length from back of ram cap to front of LPR----10 13/16 inches
Body width (measured at widest point)---15/16 inch
Grip frame width with grip on---1 3/8 inches
Grip frame width w/o grip on---3/4 inch

All measurements were taking with my handy dandy crappy tape measure so they may be off by about 1/8 of an inch.

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HOW DOES A WRATH WORK?
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=958351

WRATH MANUAL:
http://www.paintballsolutions.com/05...nual_wrath.pdf

MAINSCREEN EXPLANATION/TUTORIAL
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=974105

Diablo Contact: ChrisValente@NationalPaintball.com

DISSASEMBLED PICS FOR REFERENCE:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=831035
http://www.liquidthinker.net/Theman/Wrath/

PART DIAGRAM AND LIST!!! Special thanks to jjdustr340
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...readid=1066811

FACTORY RELACEMENT PARTS:
http://www.888paintball.com/888brows...O&scid=WR ATH

HPR TEST GRAPH:
Use this for reference on recharge rates/performance of aftermarket high pressure regulators. The Stock Wrath HPR is based off of the AA Vigilante design (as is the Bob Long Torpedo). The "Mystery Reg" is the AKALMP 2 Liter.
http://haveblue.org/dyno/5jun04dyno.jpg


CURRENT UPGRADES & MODS:

Custom Anodizing:
www.precisionpb.com They ano an entire marker for $60 or a per-peice price of $7.50 and do GREAT work. They also do color matching, so send in a paint chip or color sample and get great results.

Wrath Aftermarket Parts:
Alamo City Paintball: www.alamocitypb.com
Bolts, Cup Seals, Bolt Pins, more soon

Wrath Hoses:
McMaster-Carr: http://www.mcmaster.com/
LP Hose: Item # 5648K23 (3/32" urethane hose)
Swivel LP fittings: Item # 5779K284 (For LPR and ram cap)
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1003598

FBM Delrin Wrath Triggers:
www.fbmfactory.com

Trigger Mod:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...=&pagenumber=1

Trigger Switch Mods:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=856551
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...readid=1022251

Trigger Guard Mod:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=894727

Aftermarket LPR Adapter:
The Wrath and O3 share many parts, and the LPR adapter is one of them, so if you have the mind to put on an aftermarket LPR, pick up the Zenitram O3 LPR adapter for $15 and an Autococker compatable LPR.
http://www.zenitram-mfg.com/ (Odyssey Upgrades>O3 LPR adapter)

Delrin Bolts:

www.alamocitypb.com
www.spudnukl.com
http://www.pbbolts.com/shoppingcart/...Paintball-Bolt

PROS: Self-lubrication. Roughly 27 grams.

Nylatron Bolts:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=896352
Discontinued

PROS: Self-lubrication. Roughly 25 grams.

TFE Teflon Bolts:
www.spudnukl.com

PROS: Self-lubrication. Roughly 50 grams.

Wrath T-board:
http://www.scenariodreams.com
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=855370

Lucky Board:
Thread: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...1#post17373761
Lucky's site: http://www.buyluckypaintball.com/ser...ucts+for+Wrath

Advantage PB Board:
Thread: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...3#post17700143
Advantage's site: http://www.********************/inde...categoryID=185

Wrath LTD Board:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1312132

Custom Triggers:
Do a search for pbnation users: Comcast and THE BETTERONE

Air Ram Mod:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=864525

Autococker Vertical ASAs:
https://secure1.nexternal.com/shared...unt2=979987740
(Scroll down- Straight and 15* ASAs with or without gauge ports)

Full Auto Mod: *Caution*
Above the top switch on the main board are two prongs. Placing a jumper on these will enable full auto mode. -Thanks to reddragun5 for supplying this info. More Here:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...ight=%2Baut o
WARNING- This mod may cause damage to your board if not done properly!
Where to locate a "Jumper" for the full auto mod:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...3#post16550213

LCD to LED Mod:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...readid=1057378

Rubber Grip Mod:
Stock grips look shoddy? Rit Dye them! Takes a couple of hours (depending on the color and darkness you want) in hot (near boiling) water/dye. If you want your LCD screen area to remain clear, be sure to mask it off with hot glue etc. on BOTH SIDES. If you need a tutorial on dye, go here:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=452598


ABOVE: Dyed grips and a dyed Halo lid

Wrath Grip Discussion:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=879998

Intimidator Detent Mod:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=901890
Look for the post by squints88
*Also look at the bottom of page 6 of this thread for pics.



CPS and Operating Pressure:

1. CPS can be increased by installing the ACP delrin ram and increasing the OP to around 400 PSI. This will reduce kick as well and as far as I can tell, has minimal effect on shot count per tank fill. Adding a delrin pin and a delrin or nylatron bolt will further increase CPS (and operating pressure).
2. If you are a LP zealot and would rather have a Wrath that operates at the lowest possible pressure above all else, then getting a custom steel ram made plus buying a Spudnuk'l TFE Teflon bolt (same weight as the stock bolt, but has self lubricating properties) will be a good start. This is because the MORE MASS you have moving in the tube, the lower your pressure will need to be, however CPS may suffer using the stock spring.
3. So here is the equation in a nutshell: MP=C M is mass, P is pressure and C is cyles per second. In this simple equation you can see that mass and pressure are inversely related assuming that C remains constant. Increase the values of M and P (according to the suggestion in #1) and you increase C, subsequently, decrease the values of M and P and you decrease C (not advisable). However, increase M and you may decrease P (according to the suggestion in #2) to obtain roughly the same C (probably a little lower due to the fact that exact values are not known or taken into account). Don't worry about having to do any complicated math here, though it certainly COULD be applied if you're really OCD and would most likely result in more precise and predictable performance...

This oversimplified guide is not to be taken without a grain of salt due to its, well, oversimplified nature. If you have any questions or think something needs to be added for further clarity, just PM me. Thanks.

Special thanks to ACP for supplying a delrin ram for testing
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Old 02-13-2005, 09:03 PM #2
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for bolts, most likely a timmy bolt, and u might have to keep your stock pull pin, but yall people needa take chances and buy things that look like they'll fit, if it dont fit, there is always the b/s/t,, if yll want a custom delrin trigge, search for comcast in the search feature, he can make any design u want, qev should work, boards, idk, maybe a T1 t-board?
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Remember meet_the_focker, the point of this thread is to be definitive, not hypothetical. For example, your recomending an Intimidator bolt was not only hypothetical, but incorrect. An Intimidator bolt will not fit a Wrath as neither the bolt pin not the inlet port are aligned to properly fit in a Wrath.
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i dont own a Wrath, so idk, but how do you think they put qev's on a t1, and started putting better lprs on T1,s and all that?, cuz people took a chance to find what works and what doesnt, i dont wanna sound retardit or anything, but takin a chnace wont hurt anything, and if what you try does work, all the better, now ur the person who found out it worked/started the trend
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Remember meet_the_focker, the point of this thread is to be definitive, not hypothetical. For example, your recomending an Intimidator bolt was not only hypothetical, but incorrect. An Intimidator bolt will not fit a Wrath as neither the bolt pin not the inlet port are aligned to properly fit in a Wrath.
was it a Alias bolt or an older style bolt
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Old 02-25-2005, 04:42 PM #6
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Either way, Timmy bolts DO NOT fit the Wrath, period. Been tried already. The ONLY other bolt that MAY possibly work is the O3x bolt.
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Old 02-26-2005, 09:58 AM #7
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So, does anyone know if it is possible to fit the QEV kit on the ram cap like the T1? I have a fully upgraded T1 kit on a custom body and i wanted to upgrade my Wrath as soon as it gets in my hands. Also I really really need to know what the ram of the Wrath looks like, if any of you guys have pictures please post them.
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Old 02-26-2005, 10:19 AM #8
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Look for S!ress's post for pics. As far as your other questons go, YES, a QEV will go on the ram cap with NO adapters. A QEV may not be required to boost CPS though as the solenoid assembly is different than on a T1 and has a "vent" apparently built in. The ram is shorter and less bulky than the T1 ram, however it is brass rather than stainless steel.
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I think this page needs to be sticky'd, it will drastically cut down on the already asked questions. How does a thread become sticky??
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Admins sticky stuff. Dude nice finds, yeah they really should sticky this.
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Contacted Spudnuk'l Bolts, I may secure a deal with him to produce NYLATRON bolts for the Wrath. If so he said he would give me exclusive rights to sell them, so watch here for updates and hopefully some aftermarket bolts for around $25-$30...
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u should put a link in ur first post for the ram modification that djabaldalad(whatever his freaken sn is) offers for those that might be interested.
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Because the Wrath is spring-returned, how fast can the Wrath mechanically cycle compared to say, the Ion?
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I wish someone would make a great bolt for this marker. Angled air passage, concave face, rounded edges, limited contact from bolt to body, and made from black delrin.
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Cock3rkid- The CPS is somewhere in the mid to high 20's.

You and Baka- I'd like to keep this thread clean of chit chat, if you could delete your own posts with the little arguement, I'd appreciate it.

Baka- djpandaboy's air ram mod is already on my list under "Air Ram Mod" near the bottom.

S!ress- The bolts SPudnuk'l is making for me have a 35* angled port, are made of black nylatron (better than delrin), has an anti ball-hop face (doesn't put pressure on the ball stack) and features hourglass milling to reduce weight and contact area with body. Sound good?
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Sounds good. I'm going to order my Wrath probably tomorrow if I don't work, and if no other company comes out with a bolt that's better, I'll buy one (but I need reviews and testimonies first to see if it works good.)

P.S. Thanks for the CPS rating Spart. So does the Wrath, being spring returned, have any noticable decrease in performance? Also, is the recoil of the Wrath less than say, a 98 Custom? (I assume yes.)

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Cock3rkid---zoompaintball is making bolts already, although I haven't yet recieved mine from him. I plan on a thorough review when I get it. Also, the spring in the Wrath is not a true integral part of the firing process, like on a Tippy or Spyder. The spring on those is a high tension spring that make the bolt slam forward to provide the marker air to fire. The spring on the Wrath is a low pressure spring. Think of it as being there to move the ram back into position after the marker has fired and get it ready for the next shot. As a result, recoil is minimal, and much less than a typical Tippy or Spyder.
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Ok, I see. Well actually, my 98 Custom doesn't have much recoil since I've added the Palmers Stabi. But I assume the Wrath will still have less recoil.

But what Spartacus was saying was is that the spring is able to "cycle" in the mid to high 20's? Hmmm.
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Yes and no. I have no physical proof for that statement yet, but applying what I know about my T1 and basic physics, the Wrath should have no problems attaining mid to high 20 BPS with the proper upgrades (T-board etc.) and a Halo with Victory board or a Q-loader.

And the bolts that Spudnuk'l makes are of VERY high quality and are made of nylatron which doesn't swell up like delrin. SPudnuk'l bots also have 35* intakes and curved surfaced to maximize air flow, have an anti ball hop bolt face and have dual o-rings to ensure no blow back and increases air efficiency. I contacted them to make these bolts both because of the material they use and the quality they achieve. I'm sure the delrin bolts will work fine, but here in Kansas I need a bolt that is less prone to swelling due to climate. Plus ask anyone who knows about bolts and they will tell you that nylatron is a better choice overall, but it's more expensive so most manufacturers go with delrin.
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Spartacus--I agree with you 100%. I was just throwing another possible source out there. I've always heard good things about Spud's products, but I've also heard complaints of people not recieveing their orders, or getting them 3-4 months later. I'll probably try one of them too, if you start reselling them.
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