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Old 11-30-2013, 07:17 PM #1
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Question Trying to get more accuracy...

Played pump for the first time today! My Trilogy Pump is very inaccurate and inconsistent. So what regulators and barrel sizes do you recommend? Keep in mind my budget is very small.
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Old 11-30-2013, 07:30 PM #2
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Budget or not, I would get a freak barrel and a few mid size inserts based on your local paint size. You can use the barrel kit on lots of different markers besides your Trilly. I have a Dye Hyper 2 on one pump and a couple of CP's on my mech Autocockers and am happy with both. The Dye was $20 on Craigslist because it needed an o-ring and I may have paid $40 each on the CP's.
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Old 11-30-2013, 07:58 PM #3
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I concur with Oldandsneaky, a barrel kit will do you good. Do that first and see if the groups tighten up. I have a couple of two-piece barrels in .682 and .685 that handle most of the paint I run into in all but the coldest of conditions. Again, try the barrel solution before dropping money on a reg, unless you have a spare laying around already.

Which model Trilogy? The sport model is sprung for ~850 psi input pressure, so most of the inline regs out there will not allow high enough system pressure. All other Trilogy models came with a reg from the factory, so you can add whatever reg you like and sweetspot for best results. The factory regs are adjustable, but it's a pain in the butt to do it. I've always had good performance from CP regs.
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Old 11-30-2013, 08:11 PM #4
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Good point audub! I forgot to ask if you had a Sport. I kind of jumped to a conclusion about the reg because you asked about one. My mistake.

Also, if you're getting partial rollouts, the velocities will be all over the place too.
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Old 11-30-2013, 08:13 PM #5
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BUt honestly, I would just go the barrel route and see if it helps. You don't want to dump money into the trilly. Just use it to learn and then upgrade. You can easily end up putting hundreds into it and not even get a fraction of it when you sell it.
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Try the new lurker two piece barrel

He is supposedly going to be making a kit available eventually. It's a 15 inch barrel and I think he's making shorter tips soon too.

I use the .678 on my lv1 and my pump and it's awesome. Super quiet and they have over a 9 inch control bore. Shoots very consistently.
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I concur with Oldandsneaky, a barrel kit will do you good. Do that first and see if the groups tighten up. I have a couple of two-piece barrels in .682 and .685 that handle most of the paint I run into in all but the coldest of conditions. Again, try the barrel solution before dropping money on a reg, unless you have a spare laying around already.
I will defiantly try the barrel option. I think I will try making my own barel kit out of CP two peice barrels (.679, .682, .685 backs).
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Old 11-30-2013, 08:37 PM #8
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CP barrels are good kit, that's what I use. Look around the classifieds, you might be able to piece together what you want cheaper than buying new. Worked for me anyway. The beauty of your strategy is you can buy what you need in phases to help your budget. The same could be argued for a freak kit, but I think you'll end up spending more if you went that route.
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Start with a barrel kit or tighter bore for sure. If that doesn't fix everything, but better paint.

When you get bored of shooting people in the face, mess with the springs and reg.
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:17 AM #10
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Get better paint its the best cheapest upgrade. If none is available talk with your field owner about other options. Quality paint will make a world of a difference. A small bore barrel will help. I like Dye barrels I put them on everything.
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:38 AM #11
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Played pump for the first time today! My Trilogy Pump is very inaccurate and inconsistent.
Your paintballs are inaccurate

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So what regulators and barrel sizes do you recommend? Keep in mind my budget is very small.
$$$ <-- unfortunately, unless you limit paintball use to around 200 rounds/day

Paintball-to-barrel fit is the best way to improve accuracy and maximize propellant efficiency

Get a case of Anarchy and All Stars

And/or buy Evil and Marballizers at the store since if they arrive by mail they may be oily and slimy and difficult to work with and clean. I never had luck ordering Marballizers in the mail, I recommend just getting them at the store.

All Stars are easy to clean if any break in the bag. Just roll them out over a folded wash towel and roll them gently in a circle as a mass and use a different bag with twist-tie to keep them in.

What you want to do is find out what fits inside your barrel without rolling out

Find out what your barrel inner diameter is using online resources (typically .678"-.691") I think a stock Trilogy barrel is .687" but not 100% sure

Once you do find out what your barrel inner diameter is you can sift your paintballs over a bucket or wash towel with this:

http://palmer-pursuit.com/cart/paint...ate-p-992.html

Select the diameter that matches your barrel

Once again, $$$

The paintballs that fall through are too small. If they fall through once they are .001" smaller. Twice, they are .002" smaller or more (paintballs are oval so sometimes a good-sized one sits in the Sizer Plate about 2/3 times and sometimes they don't about 1/3 of the time).

If they ALWAYS sit on the holes they are all too big to put in your paintgun. You can try putting desiccant packs / orange peel in your paintball bag to "shrink" the paintballs down

If they ALWAYS fall through the holes they are too small and you should store the paintballs sealed in a cool dry place for 3-4 months if you want them to swell by .002", or 8 months if you want them to swell by .005". It isn't an exact science.

Use what sits in the sizer as your paintballs and store the rest until they swell to the right size

And enjoy a day of play without any paintball breaks in the barrel
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Old 12-01-2013, 08:08 AM #12
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Better paint is good as long as it doesn't roll out. OP, go with your barrel plan. You don't need a ball size gauge, you can check ball size with your barrel backs. You probably won't need any bores bigger than .685 with paint sizing as small as it does in this region.
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Old 12-01-2013, 01:25 PM #13
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I ran a 685 ultralite on my trilly (but i live in the south and usually play with bigger paint) and it worked great. If you really want accuracy buy better paint i personally prefer empire paint (marblizer, premium, allstar, evil if you have money for it)
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:23 PM #14
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I have found two major factors to get good precision; shot to shot consistency <+/- 5fps and quality paint. Accuracy comes from a lot of practice and drills.

Now for the definitions.

Precision is the ability of the marker / paintball combo to deliver "ball on ball” groups. For that you need consistent velocity with comes from under-boring, a good regulator and a clean marker. Since you are on a budget, start with cleaning your marker, paying special attention to the lower tube and hammer, any debris or gunk will effect the velocity of your hammer striking your poppet causing inconsistent velocity. Next try better paint, next a barrel to under-boore finally a good regulator. Speaking of regulators, if you have a Ninja bottle, you have a pretty good regulator already built into your system. You can adjust it to 450psi (see Ninja’s website) and run a straight line to your valve-train, though you may need to spend 12 bucks on a spring kit.

Paint is more about precision than accuracy since it has to do with shot to shot consistency and ball flight. If the paint is oval or and oddly shaped, your velocity will be inconsistent due to different back pressure. This is where over-boring or under-boring allows for additional consistency...of course, with a pump, under-boring in your only choice. Additionally, small seams and weight consistency are better with higher quality paint. Finally, with a pump, you are doing a lot of one-balling, so you need paint that is less likely to bounce and is really visible, so you get that break and is hard to wipe on your fist hit.

Accuracy is the ability to hit what you are shooting at. Now you can not have great accuracy without some precision, but for the most part this is about good pointing, aim and a good trigger. This takes a lot of directed practice and paint. This is about your ability to point your marker in the right direction, compensate for ball flight (drop and wind) and tripping the trigger smoothly and predictively.

Now for the practicality of upgrades on your marker. Be sure you keep all you old parts as you upgrade your barrel and regulator and for gods sake, do not spend any Money of upgrades you can not take to your next marker, put that money in a jar to fund your next pump, which will be lighter, quieter, have a better pump-stroke and trigger.

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it's not only the barrel size it's all about your flow of action as well if you don't anchor in the same place all the time your shots will be different as well but if you practice on your friends that are running away you will get it in no time
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You just need a barrel system that allows you to size your paint correctly... You can't become any more accurate with a certain regulator. I'd say invest in a nice barrel, some freak inserts, and your all set. Oh and don't skimp on paint, make sure; if you're concerned with the inconsistency and accuracy, your shooting high end paint.

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If your budget is really tight, you could try the nail polish thing. If you're having problems with partial rollouts that should help. Three drops of nail polish to act as detents to keep the ball from rolling forward.
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I made this thread almost a year ago. I don't know why it came back up, but anyways. I agree fresher paint is the way to go. I buy a case of redemption at the beginning of every month and over the past year I have noticed that each new case get oilier and oilier. Even thought that's the best paint they have it's beginning to shoot like mid-grade and even the low end stuff.
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I have had barrel kits but have found that as long as you are not getting roll outs most barrels shoot pretty much the same save for sound signature. As far as accuracy, consistency over the chrono is what's important unless your barrel is literally bent/damaged.
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