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View Poll Results: Who do you like for Patron Saint of Paintball?
St. Sebastian 2 25.00%
St. Maurice 3 37.50%
other 3 37.50%
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Old 04-10-2010, 09:17 PM #1
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The Patron Saint of Paintball

Certain branches of Christianity, most notably Catholicism but a few Protestant variations as well (Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist to some extent) recognize Saints, those outstanding members of the church who through deed and example have shown they made it. The big show, cloud 9, past the velvet rope at the pearly gates. And since they made it Heaven...well you might as well ask them to put a good word with the Big Guy for ya from time to time.

Others find the idea offensive...needless to say this post isn't for them. I hope these folks can sit back and hopefully enjoy my amateurish attempt at an entertaining post and keep their opinions to a separate topic. (odds of some fundi going on a turbo rant in another topic over this, 1 in 10...in this topic 1 in 4)

So these Saints tend to have their own pet causes where they asked to intercede, where they're Patrons. There's Patron Saints for darn near everything. St. Patrick is famously the Patron Saint of Ireland. St. Christopher is the Patron Saint of travelers. St. Berlinda of Meerbeke is the Patron Saint of protection of cattle from diseases. There's Patron Saints for everything...except premature ejaculation, but I hear that's coming real soon. (thank you Mel Brooks!)

So I think it's about time our favorite little pastime (that would be Paintball) got it's own Patron Saint. I'm thinking a proper old school Saint (we could go with a newer one more recently canonized by the Pope, but I think I've opened enough cans of worms already). So after extensive research... OK, 10 minutes of looking on Wikipedia... I've found a few likely candidates.

The one that obviously first came to mind is St. Sebastian, the Patron Saint of sport and athletes. Also patron of archers, armorers, gunsmiths, bookbinders, hardware stores, police officers, soldiers, lace makers, and for protection against the black plague. The old school Saints tend to build up a lot of patronages.

A little history on the dude: back in the third century Sebastian was a captain in the Roman guard as well as secretly a Christian. This was the time when Christians who didn't make token offerings to the Roman gods were sent to the gladiatorial arena for execution. Sebastian would offer aid, comfort, and encouragement to those scheduled for execution. Even managed to convert a local prefect (like a city administrator) to Christianity who then released all the prisoners. Needless to say this pissed off Emperor Diocletian, who ordered the Sebastian be tied to a tree and shot full of arrows. Amazingly Sebastian managed to survive this. He later stood out in the open and openly mocked the Emperor as he went by, probably going "Nah nah, you didn't kill me, pbbbt". That was probably pushing his luck a bit, the Emperor had him beaten to death and his body thrown down a latrine. Plenty of the old Christians got martyred, Sebastian is the only one with the cojones to pull it off Twice.

Now I do have a few issues with old Sebastian as a potential Patron Saint of Paintball. For one...

Not saying he was, well, gay. Or that it would be a bad thing if he was, but still...

And then there's the whole issue with the not dieing from the barrage of arrows. The dude literally played on after getting hit. For a sport where we shoot things at each other a guy who ignores projectiles and keeps going until physically beaten may not be a good example.


The second candidate is St. Maurice, Patron Saint of Soldiers. Also patron of swordsmiths, weavers, cloth dyers, the Ninth Ward of New Orleans, and strangely against menstrual cramps.


And his paintings show him slightly less gay. And yes he was black, I picture Denzel playing him in the movie.

Also from the 3rd century, old Maurice was the captain of the Roman Theban Legion, a group of soldiers from Thebes in Egypt who happened to all be Christian. When they were sent to Gaul and ordered to attack other Christians they refused. Emperor Maximian (who was co-emperor with Diocletian from above, with Max handling all the military stuff and Diocletian doing all the political stuff, when they both weren't ordering Christians killed of course) got pissed and ordered the legion decimated. This was the old school definition of the word, literally meaning kill one out of every ten. When they were ordered to attack a second time Maurice gave them a rousing pep talk, telling them not to give in. So the legion got decimated a second time. When they refused to attack a third time they all got executed. Real "death before dishonor" stuff.

Now I prefer him for Patron Saint of Paintball for a couple reasons. He was a leader, a real team player. He also took his elimination with honor. Also check out the shields the Theban Legion carried...

Sure looks like a paintball in the middle of a bullseye to me.

So cast your vote, or recommend your own choice.
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Old 04-10-2010, 09:30 PM #2
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Some of these stories tick me off a little. Diocletian never enacted a program to go after Christians. He merely instructed Christians to be punished if and only if they failed to pledge political allegiance to the emperor. The Roman form of doing so was spiritual, however it was quite simply "praying" for the emperor. Christians could have done so without violating their faith. Diocletian wasn't some genocidal maniac, he was trying to run a state and demanded loyalty from all citizens.
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Old 04-10-2010, 09:42 PM #3
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The Roman form of doing so was spiritual, however it was quite simply "praying" for the emperor. Christians could have done so without violating their faith. Diocletian wasn't some genocidal maniac, he was trying to run a state and demanded loyalty from all citizens.
Technically it fell under the First Commandment. The whole "thou shalt not have any Gods before me". From a purely secular point of view, yeah, didn't seem like a big deal. But from a Christian point of view it was. You had to have proof of your offering, which was only available at the Roman Pagan temples. Sure you could have gone and BS'ed your way through the thing, but then you'd be breaking another Commandment.

EDIT: I was fully expecting someone to have a complaint or two, but a secular pro-Roman one really surprised me.
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Old 04-10-2010, 11:58 PM #4
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Ah st. Patrick the guy who failed as a farmer and saw a vision of Jesus so he says. Then goes on to do nothing really besides preach to Irish folk. Oh he superimposed the Celtic knot onto a cross to help these people accept the destruction of their way of life. But really though his contribution is nothing unique or deserving of sainthood.


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I did a lot of laughing. A+ thread, would read again.
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Technically it fell under the First Commandment. The whole "thou shalt not have any Gods before me". From a purely secular point of view, yeah, didn't seem like a big deal. But from a Christian point of view it was. You had to have proof of your offering, which was only available at the Roman Pagan temples. Sure you could have gone and BS'ed your way through the thing, but then you'd be breaking another Commandment.

EDIT: I was fully expecting someone to have a complaint or two, but a secular pro-Roman one really surprised me.
Yes but actually entering the temple wouldn't have violated the first commandment. Praying to the emperor's "Genius" simply meant praying that he would be guided by wisdom and justice. Christians could have done this by praying to their god for these things. Diocletian never gave the command to just go hunt down all Christians. His command was to punish ANYONE who failed to pay loyalty to the state. He was actually very confused and troubled by the fact that most Christians refused to do so. It was more caused by Christians misunderstanding what was being asked of them. They believed that the state was asking them to worship the emperor as a god. In reality however, the state was simply asking them to pray for good guidance for him. They could have done so by praying to their god and still kept the first commandment.
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Yes but actually entering the temple wouldn't have violated the first commandment. Praying to the emperor's "Genius" simply meant praying that he would be guided by wisdom and justice. Christians could have done this by praying to their god for these things. Diocletian never gave the command to just go hunt down all Christians. His command was to punish ANYONE who failed to pay loyalty to the state. He was actually very confused and troubled by the fact that most Christians refused to do so. It was more caused by Christians misunderstanding what was being asked of them. They believed that the state was asking them to worship the emperor as a god. In reality however, the state was simply asking them to pray for good guidance for him. They could have done so by praying to their god and still kept the first commandment.
You have a few references I could look into? I'm interested in doing a bit of further reading on the subject and the easy on-line sources...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletianic_Persecution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletian
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...-of-Christians
...paint a very different picture than what you're presenting.
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Yes the mass consumption material does paint that type of picture. I can't remember where the documents we used are, but when discussing it with a visiting professor here (his specialty is Roman law), he basically refuted that "textbook" idea of Diocletian. Damn it if I didn't lose those sources though lol. I won't expect you to immediately believe what I'm saying of course. I'll see what I can find though.
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can someone tell me what the word "patron" means in the context of "patron saint of paintball"
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can someone tell me what the word "patron" means in the context of "patron saint of paintball"
"A patron saint is a saint who is regarded as the intercessor and advocate in heaven of a nation, place, craft, activity, class, or person"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patron_saint

"One that supports, protects, or champions someone or something, such as an institution, event, or cause; a sponsor or benefactor"
http://education.yahoo.com/reference...y/entry/patron
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"A patron saint is a saint who is regarded as the intercessor and advocate in heaven of a nation, place, craft, activity, class, or person"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patron_saint

"One that supports, protects, or champions someone or something, such as an institution, event, or cause; a sponsor or benefactor"
http://education.yahoo.com/reference...y/entry/patron
Aha! Thanks man. Are there really only two that seemed to fit the criteria?
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And then there's the whole issue with the not dieing from the barrage of arrows. The dude literally played on after getting hit. For a sport where we shoot things at each other a guy who ignores projectiles and keeps going until physically beaten may not be a good example.
Awesome post man. I first looked at it and thought "oh ****, wall of text". But it was worth the read
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Aha! Thanks man. Are there really only two that seemed to fit the criteria?
Oh there's definitely more, just those two were the first to come in mind and the ones I had done enough research on to do a proper half-serious, half-humorous article. I've been a fan of St. Maurice for a while, and St. Sebastian is the official patron of sports in general.

I was also limiting myself to the classic, or sometimes called "pre-congregation" saints. Those that are saints more through general consensus than through Papal decree, just to keep some of the pro-saint Protestants happy.

A few others with potential...

St. George, the famous dragon slayer
http://saints.sqpn.com/saint-george/

St. Barbara, patron saint of ammunition magazines...patron saint of hoppers?
http://saints.sqpn.com/saint-barbara/

St. Philip Neri, patron saint of the US Army Special Forces. One thing he was known for was finding safe places for children to play. patron saint of newbies?
http://saints.sqpn.com/saint-philip-neri/
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