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Old 03-31-2010, 10:30 AM #1
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Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/30/...x.html?npt=NP1




I really don't even know what to say about this. It outrages me a judge would even rule this in a case. These protesters are pathetic. They hold up signs saying "God hates your dead soldier" or "God hates fags" or "Thank God for Maimed Soldiers". They even do this at soldiers funerals. I know they are protected by the first amendment, but this is border line hate speech. The $16,000 dollars the father must pay is going to be used to finance even more protests. If I was president, I would sign an executive order (if that is possible) and over turn that bull**** decision.
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:31 AM #2
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It's the WBC. That's what they do. If you touch them you're guaranteed to end up in court.
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:33 AM #3
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If i were in charge theyd be in front of the firing squad. this crap at our dead combat veterans funerals is going way to far
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:36 AM #4
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If you were in charge, you'd be in front of your own firing squad.
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:37 AM #5
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If you were in charge, you'd be in front of your own firing squad.
Im pretty sure i wouldnt.but nice attempt at humor
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:40 AM #6
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If i were in charge theyd be in front of the firing squad. this crap at our dead combat veterans funerals is going way to far
To me, it is treason. If one of my family members/friends died in a war and they showed up at his/her funeral I would gladly go to prison for assault.
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:42 AM #7
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It's too bad that freedom of speech doesn't cover injurious speech... I'm looking forward to the Supreme Court ruling. There are plenty of groups willing to throw money at his case just to shut the WBC up, it could be our nations first bipartisan grassroots effort!
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:46 AM #8
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It's too bad that freedom of speech doesn't cover injurious speech... I'm looking forward to the Supreme Court ruling. There are plenty of groups willing to throw money at his case just to shut the WBC up, it could be our nations first bipartisan grassroots effort!
Yeah, but so far every attempt to shut down the WBC has lost because of the free speech question. Even if we don't like it, they still have the same rights as everyone else.

They're just the most successful example of IRL trolling.
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We had around 8-12 of the WBC show up here a year or so ago and they were greeted by about 100 Military wives holding up signs that said "honk if you support out troops". The highway was full of cars honking as they went by. Needless to say the WBC decided that they needed to vacate the area.

I wouldn't want to face a mob of 5 military wives let alone 100 of them.
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:52 AM #10
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If i were in charge theyd be in front of the firing squad.
And in this sense, how do you differ from the Westboro Baptist Church? If they were in power, "faglovers", like they call anyone who opposes them in any way, like you would be in front of a firing squad.

I just wonder why people pay attention to these sorry excuses of a human beings. They are religious fanatics, let FBI deal with them if they get too cocky.

But this is another fantastic example why religion is so bad for most of us. No matter if one worships a god that hates dead soldiers and homosexuals or if one worships their dead soldiers. And in this case the worshiping goes so far that either side is willing to kill each other for doing something that the first amendment guarantees for all Americans.

I second Yoda when he said: "The land of controversy this truly is"
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:53 AM #11
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The best way to deal with these people is to pass ordnances they say you have to get a permit to protest and pass zoning laws that say where protesting is off limits. Some cities have had success putting cemeteries off limits to protests.

This keeps the peace and still supports the right of free speech.
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:59 AM #12
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It's the WBC. That's what they do. If you touch them you're guaranteed to end up in court.
...except Snyder sued them first.
You don't get to that little nugget until 12 paragraphs down in this news story.
Great journalism there, Grinberg.

Am I the only one that supports the WBC's right to free speech?
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The irony coming out of the right-wing of this thread is just too thick.

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The best way to deal with these people is to pass ordnances they say you have to get a permit to protest and pass zoning laws that say where protesting is off limits. Some cities have had success putting cemeteries off limits to protests.

This keeps the peace and still supports the right of free speech.
Actually that's an explicit abridgment of free speech and freedom of assembly. It's the same thing that GWB did during his presidency with his "free speech zones."
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...except Snyder sued them first.
You don't get to that little nugget until 12 paragraphs down in this news story.
Great journalism there, Grinberg.

Am I the only one that supports the WBC's right to free speech?
Yeah, they lost the case, so they're liable for the defendants legal costs.

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Old 03-31-2010, 11:03 AM #14
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Its obviously the right wing at work again. Republicans all support WBC. Karl Rove Palin Magna Carta Birthers Glenn Beck rabble rabble rabble.
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Its obviously the right wing at work again. Republicans all support WBC. Karl Rove Palin Magna Carta Birthers Glenn Beck rabble rabble rabble.
No. The WBC is its own special corner of retarded fundamentalism. They just do an excellent job exposing the hypocrisy of the right by showing just how little conservatives actually care about the freedom of speech afforded to us by the US Constitution.
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No. The WBC is its own special corner of retarded fundamentalism. They just do an excellent job exposing the hypocrisy of the right by showing just how little conservatives actually care about the freedom of speech afforded to us by the US Constitution.
Ahhh there it is. I doubted your ability to tie this into how conservatives are bad and yet here we are. I am in awe. Wheres Gonzo, he needs in on this too.
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...except Snyder sued them first.
You don't get to that little nugget until 12 paragraphs down in this news story.
Great journalism there, Grinberg.

Am I the only one that supports the WBC's right to free speech?
I don't think anyone ever said they didn't acknowledge they have their right to freedom of speech. I even said it in the opening thread statement. It's just border line hate speech and very disrespectful to do at a funeral. It is morally wrong. Sure, they have rights, but isn't it said that you have the right to express your rights or feelings unless your actions infringe on someone else's?

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No. The WBC is its own special corner of retarded fundamentalism. They just do an excellent job exposing the hypocrisy of the right by showing just how little conservatives actually care about the freedom of speech afforded to us by the US Constitution.
I'm towards the right of the center and I acknowledge their right to freedom of speech, I just don't like it.
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Actually that's an explicit abridgment of free speech and freedom of assembly.

In some cities you do have to get permits to hold a protest and they have zoned off places where protests cannot be held.

And they have been upheld in court

http://www.freedomforum.org/template...cumentID=15273
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa..._protest_zone/
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/8/7/0447/91426


I find it funny that liberal gruops only sue when it suits the left side of the Political isle and Conservative groups only sue when it suits the right side of the isle. The courts have ruled that protest zones and permits are sometimes needed to preserve the public safety. As long as everyone is held to the same zones there is not discrimination to one side or the other.
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My personal theory is that Phelps and his clan don't actually believe in what they're doing. They're actually agent provocateurs paid off by someone with an interest in the gay rights. If you think about it, Phelps' media exposure has done more to advance the cause of gay rights than almost anything else in the last decade. Anyone opposing gay rights in public is almost immediately associated with Phelps, implicitly if not explicitly.

Given Phelps' history of hypocritical approaches to civil rights issues, it wouldn't surprise me if he's secretly cashing checks from someone with a pro-gay agenda. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_ph...ights_attorney
If he isn't getting funds from them, they're getting a real bargain from his antics.
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In some cities you do have to get permits to hold a protest and they have zoned off places where protests cannot be held.

And they have been upheld in court

http://www.freedomforum.org/template...cumentID=15273
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa..._protest_zone/
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/8/7/0447/91426
so I see the protest itself isnt' what's in question - it's the effect of amassing a couple hundred people to disrupt the area that's being regulated.
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so I see the protest itself isnt' what's in question - it's the effect of amassing a couple hundred people to disrupt the area that's being regulated.
More or less, it lends itself to public safety and the ability to still conduct business.

Protest permits allow the police to put more people on call incase someone decides to go bonkers and disrupt the public safety and the protest free zones allow business to continue to conduct their business without harm.

No speech or protest is being banned.

It goes to the theory of with all your rights you do have responsibilities. You have the right to swing your arms around like an idiot, but your rights end at the tip of my nose.

You have the right to protest, but I have the right to conduct legal business without interuption from your protest. My customers have the right to service without harrassment from your protesters.
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