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Old 03-20-2010, 04:01 PM #1
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What features would you like to see in the next gen Vanguard markers

Lets hear what you guys want in the future?
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Old 03-20-2010, 04:24 PM #2
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beter feedneck , beter finish on the gun , beter Q.C, board screen windo needs to be more sturdy.
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Old 03-20-2010, 05:55 PM #3
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Better button pad. Game timer in he software, maybe with an alarm. Knurled asa knob for better grip. Increased volume in the LPR and HPR systems. Maybe a spring or magnetic option for the trigger. More durable grips.

I don't really see a problem with the feed neck although if it was slightly countersunk like the new alien guns that would be sweet.

A bolt with a soft top where it contacts the second ball in the stack......just to be gentler on paint would be a nice feature.

The option for some smaller bore barrels in 14 and 16 inch lengths. Paint is super small now.

That's about it.....I'm pretty happy with the gun as is. I'm just being picky for the sake of the thread.
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Old 03-20-2010, 06:10 PM #4
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no macroline and get rid of that back hump (milling)
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:00 PM #5
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:32 PM #6
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better barrel. longer barrel back (martin we've spoken about this) feedneck i can understand one of our players feednecks came off today. ermmm

3rd party trigger made. maybe a voilent.

different colour grips

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Old 03-20-2010, 08:43 PM #7
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:55 PM #8
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cool stuff guys.. Demo why would you want a longer barrel back?
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Old 03-21-2010, 12:20 AM #9
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The barrel is already the longest you can get, it's a straight bore. The whole barrel IS the back.

The sleeve doesn't touch the ball at all. I'm not sure what the feedneck problem is everyone is having. It's the same as the ego feed neck. You just have to actually tighten it on good. Maybe some are loose...if so you can just add a larger oring on the body piece then tighten it down again. It shouldn't move.
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Old 03-21-2010, 01:14 AM #10
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i'd like to see a vanguard spool valve...
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:29 AM #11
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I told Eric this but, might as well share it here. I'd like to see 2 orings on the inlet of the bolt; one on each side. I've noticed air escapes the back of the gun when shooting which is going to hurt shot numbers. Adding these orings will increase velocity and bump up efficiency.

Other than that I agree about the buttons for the board. You often have to "jam" your finger in there to get it to do what you want. Having them raised higher or something would be helpful.

Thefeedneck is fine but, letting the hopper recess more into it along with some "grippies" around the inside will improve it.

It would be nice if there was a way to make the LPR internal as well. Just take everything and fit it inside the gun just leaving an adjustment screw on the outside. It would streamline the gun and make it look even more different than an Ego.

For the rammer, maybe some bumpers on both sides. On the front so when it hits the poppet it does less damage, and on the return to further reduce kick. Not like there is ANY kick on the gun now but, doing that will settle the slight vibration with the gun.

I really can't think of anything else. I feel this gen with the LP poppit is a slam dunk but with some refinement it can be "the" gun.

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Old 03-21-2010, 11:47 AM #12
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I agree with some of the above posts. Here are some of my thoughts:
  • I too have had trouble witht he feedneck and agree with the o-rings on the inside, plus a little more recessed into the body
  • Buttons on the back could def use some work. Maybe make them built into the actual frame to make them easier to push
  • Different barrel sizes would be good. Maybe knocking out the .693 and 16" option and going with all 14" in .689, .687, .685. With paint getting smaller those bigger bores are becoming unnecessary
  • I'm the only one in my area who has one and I've let others shoot it. I like the trigger, but others have mentioned having a mor rounded trigger. They seem to find it a little "sqaure" on the edges
  • ASA knob would use better grip
  • Hey, maybe even some aggressive milling in later models

That all being said, I love my Creed. I've owned a few and have loved everyone. I can't wait to try out the new LP poppet now!
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Old 03-21-2010, 06:02 PM #13
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in regards to what i ment about the barrel back

if you look at the two pieces the backsleeve and the barrel its self. where the to join up is the weakest part on the barrel - i myself have snapped it diving in to the snake and i hear others have had similar problems.

but by extending the sleeve back 1/4 inch or so it will cover the weakest part and make the barrel stronger.

milling wise. ive seen some proto types and they look hot!
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Old 03-21-2010, 08:27 PM #14
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firstly this is the first weekend ive been able to PLAY with my creed. and although I need to send it in for some teching on the popit and solenoid. It Shot Amazzzing. everyone commented on its comfortable feel/light weight and it mowed.

I would also agree with the feedneck comments
I did receive come comments on the trigger needing a little better finish (rouned or what not)

I would recommend using slightly thicker guage wire on the eye and board plugs or using heat shrink at the bottoms ends to stop them from flexing as much when unplugged. Only a super slight amount of movement will break their fragile inner wire. Which is A) understandable but B) a pain in the *** when the first time you've removed the grip from the body and the ground for the eyes snap off. They are overly fragile and a pain when broken at the plug.

I work laptop disassemly and reassembly from time to time and they use the same squad clipped plugs and they've taken small steps like i mentioned to decrease the wire breakage.

I love this gun and super impressed.
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:47 PM #15
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in regards to what i ment about the barrel back

if you look at the two pieces the backsleeve and the barrel its self. where the to join up is the weakest part on the barrel - i myself have snapped it diving in to the snake and i hear others have had similar problems.

but by extending the sleeve back 1/4 inch or so it will cover the weakest part and make the barrel stronger.

milling wise. ive seen some proto types and they look hot!

Hmmmmm I've seen quite a few different barrels snap off like that. The common response is "Learn to dive properly" but I won't say that. Things happen when you play hardcore lol.

That being said, a lot of people get upset when they do some core drilling and the barrel breaks but honestly, you're probably better off that it did break. I know other guys who's barrels didn't break and they ended up with broken wrists/fingers/ribs. Better to be out one game than the whole season lol.
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Old 03-23-2010, 04:29 AM #16
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Hmmmmm I've seen quite a few different barrels snap off like that. The common response is "Learn to dive properly" but I won't say that. Things happen when you play hardcore lol.

That being said, a lot of people get upset when they do some core drilling and the barrel breaks but honestly, you're probably better off that it did break. I know other guys who's barrels didn't break and they ended up with broken wrists/fingers/ribs. Better to be out one game than the whole season lol.
true, but even mike from ****** said that willy or someone got their barrel caught in the netting at the start gate and it snapped off when he spun. understandale. but with most two piece barrels the join is stronger than it is with the hero/un1tec barrel.
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:53 AM #17
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Thicker solinoid and eye wires, i had the same problem with the doubled up ground wire coming out. All i did was wrap them round the ground of the micro switch, not ideal but they work perfectly!

Maybe magnetic detents, the springs can be a pain when they shoot across the room. Or a small dent milled in the eye cover to keep the spring in place when putting them back on.

Slightly longer screw for the feed neck lever or maybe a thumb wheel.

Apart from that and a couple of things already mentioned i think the gun's great.

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Old 03-23-2010, 12:41 PM #18
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Yes, detent spring slot, I forgot about that one. Grooves milled in the bolt for the detents as well! Or at least an easier transition for the detents.
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