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Old 03-12-2010, 07:30 PM #1
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Geo and Deadlywinds Barrel

I just bought a Geo this past January and I have bought a Deadlywinds barrel because I can use me SS freak inserts with it.

Does any one else out there use the Deadlywinds barrel and how do you like the combo of the Geo and DW barrel.

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Old 03-12-2010, 09:09 PM #2
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I just bought a Geo this past January and I have bought a Deadlywinds barrel because I can use me SS freak inserts with it.

Does any one else out there use the Deadlywinds barrel and how do you like the combo of the Geo and DW barrel.

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by combo do you mean insert size and length? Best is a 14 or 16inch barrel and a paint to barrel match for the bore size. That should square you away.
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Old 03-12-2010, 10:00 PM #3
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I know Uziel Gal uses DW barrels with his Egos, now he has a SL91... so I have a feeling he's sticking with the SL2 barrel kit... but I bet he would tell you the combo is
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I think viper boi had a set of dw previously.
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No "s" at the end of Deadlywind.
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Old 03-12-2010, 11:02 PM #6
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I thought DW barrels were nice the only thing that bothered me was my gun felt unbalanced imo
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I thought DW barrels were nice the only thing that bothered me was my gun felt unbalanced imo
which is the case with most CF barrels IMO. (also the reason why I think CF barrels are overrated).
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There are 3+ members of my team with the DW, 2 of which with geos. They shoot great and take freak inserts, I am going to revert to this barrel too, because the freak back doesn't fit in the geo for sone reason.
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Old 03-13-2010, 07:59 AM #9
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I know Uziel Gal uses DW barrels with his Egos, now he has a SL91... so I have a feeling he's sticking with the SL2 barrel kit... but I bet he would tell you the combo is
I do have a DW barrel, but i actually have it mainly for use on my Autocockers.

I am in the habit of bore matching, simply because I used Autocockers for so long - overboring ruins consistency when using a closed bolt marker, as you are relying on the bore fit to stop the ball rolling down the barrel. If the ball starts from anywhere other than the breech, it accelerates through a different length of barrel, and hence for a different length of time, and you end up with a different velocity.

With any open bolt marker - or any one with detents at least - the ball is always held in the breech until it is fired, so the ball always accelerates over the same length of barrel, and the consistency is drastically improved.

At that point, the only remaining advantage to bore matching matching is that efficiency should be improved. Never a bad thing, and perhaps even more important when using a marker that isn't particularly well known for great efficiency.

Accuracy is something that gets argued back and forth when talking about bore matching, and I can kind of see both points of view here. I have personally shot quality paint with a slight overbore and have had great results. Equally, I have seen paint and marker combinations that have for whatever reason caused the ball to pick up a spin - perhaps the paint wasn't as good as it could have been,or perhaps the marker had only one detent, or maybe the two detents were putting uneven amounts of pressure on the ball - whatever the reason, spin would cause the balls to hook, or rise, or drop early, depending on the access of spin. A good bore fit would at least stop the ball picking up a spin prior to leaving the control section of the barrel.

Now having said all that, even when using paint that is as round and fresh as can be, and not expecting any issues with the ball "spinning up" in the barrel, I'd rather not be shooting small paint through a very large barrel. Having just enough leeway to cater for changes in temperature - and hence changes in ball diameter - or the odd incosistently sized ball, is more than fine by me. I don't want the efficiency hit or for the ball to possibly rattle around in the barrel, or any other things that people may suspect happens when overboring (I have no intention of a getting in to any arguments regarding that, but I am sure most of you will have heard arguments for and against overboring, bore matching or underboring). I just try and play it safe - not too big, not too small.

With that in mind, the three sizes that come with the SL kit, or the Shaft3 upgrade kit, seem like reasonable choices. For any ball from a 0.693 down to a 0.679 ball (which is my most used Freak insert, and has been for a number of years now - paint was already getting very small in the UK while medium sizes were still common in the US) you either have a bore match or don't have to overbore too much with the selection of bore sizes. Of course, TechT are now saying that balls in the US are now getting even smaller than 0.679, so I may have to have a re-think.

OK, that was long and rambling, but hopefully that has given some glimpse of my thoughts about barrels.

So, let's get right back to the beginning, and look at the DW specifically. Weight aside, where you will obviously like a light barrel or a heavy barrel - personal preference - I mainly like the fact that it is for all intents and purposes a one-piece barrel with inserts. Yes, the threaded adapter is attached to a separate carbon barrel shaft, but they are fixed, and if the alignment of those parts is good to begin with, then it will stay good. You then only have to worry about the alignment of the insert to the shaft, which on mine is good. Funnily enough, normally, I actually like a heavyweight barrel, and have a Dye stainless barrel, a couple of Dye Boomsticks, a stainless backed J&J, stainless backed Freaks, a stainless backed Sceptre, and a couple of stainless LAPCo barrels - I just like the balance of heavier barrels, but felt like trying something different, and the DW allowed me to use inserts I already had, and it was relatively cheap.

The only thing I wasn't overly keen on was some compression marks on the outside of the barrel, which obviously have no effect on performance (presumably something to do with the production of the marker), and the fact that the smooth layer of the inner bore of my barrel didn't extend all the way back to the tip of the insert - there is a little rough patch just in front of the insert where you can see the rough weave of the carbon and the uneven surface of the resin binding the fibres together. Thing is though, being directly after the tip of the insert, the ball should be centred in the bore as it passes this rough patch, and so should never come in to contact with it - it looks naff, but shouldn't actually have any negative effect.

Other than that, and not really giving the marker the balance I prefer, I've been happy with the DW.

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Old 03-13-2010, 11:51 AM #10
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exellent thank you....that was why I bought it...I all ready had SS freak inserts and didnt want to have to buy a new kit when I just needed a barrel.

This is my first Geo and first Carbon fibur barrel and needed a few opinions.

I used my Freak cocker back with an AA tip....I think I have some wear in the barrel as when I run a swab through it I am seeing bits of the swab left in the barrel. the barrel tip is 4 years old and was time to either replace the tip or get a new barrel hence the DW barrel to use with the SS inserts.

Thank you all for the info !

ok I recieved the DW barrel and the SS inserts fit very lose,and the inserts are just a fraction of an inch short when in the barrel,and when I screew it into the Geo if you shake the marker a little you can hear the insert move back and forth in the barrel,just slightly.....is this normal for a DW barrel and will it effect how the ball flys from the marker ?

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Old 03-14-2010, 09:44 AM #11
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That doesn't sound right - my inserts aren't loose at all. If I had the same length issue as yourself, I could move the insert back a little and expect it to stay where I put it. Obviously not an option in your case.

As for the Freak back not fitting the Geo, that also seems a little odd, as I have had no such problem.

I didn't have time to dig out my original first gen aluminium Freak (in all honesty, I can't remember where I have put it!), but I've tried one of my stainless Freaks and a current aluminium Freak back from my Evil Shocker (which doesn't even fit some Autocockers - it's too wide to fit around some rams) and neither caused a problem (I actually use a stainless Freak back on the Evil Shocker - it looks a feels better to me).

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I have been using DW with my wifes ego9 until last week when I finally got my geo so I used it with that this weekend. I absolutely love it. The balance is different but I like it and most people I know liked it when they got used to it. It's very accurate and quiet. A lot of ego owners at the field said they were thinking about getting a geo, when they got to shoot and hear mine they all said they wanted the same setup. Hope that helps
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:09 PM #13
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Ive been using a DW on my Geo since last Oct and love it! I agree with Uziel that the most common bore size seems to be the the smaller .679 & .682 .. also the insert should fit snug.... it should not be loose in the barrel
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:17 PM #14
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Ive been using a DW on my Geo since last Oct and love it! I agree with Uziel that the most common bore size seems to be the the smaller .679 & .682 .. also the insert should fit snug.... it should not be loose in the barrel
That really depends on location the paint I shoot is normally about .688.. during the summer its a bit bigger..
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The problem with the freak kit is befor the threads the blank metal part seems too wide, and it won't even push in far enough for the threads to connect.
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:49 AM #16
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Certainly not a problem I've ever come across.

Do you have any other Autococker threaded markers? If so, does the Freak back fit those?
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Well the SS inserts I have I bought 3 or 4 years ago I dont know if there was any machining problems with them or if DW has made changes to the barrel,I read some reviews that some people had a little problem geting there inserts out of the barrel,so maybe they made the control bore where the inserts a little bigger.mine are so lose in the barrel that when you put the insert in and tip the barrel back it will just fall out.

So any way I took it to the field to play some pick up games and the sound sig was much improved,people told me they cant even hear the Geo shoot. I was using a 682 SS insert.

I did'nt break any paint and the ball flight seemed to be ok. Paint was good fresh Marbs. So maybe this is some new design from DW.

I sent them an email about the inserts I will wait to see what they say.
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Well I got an email back from the DW people....no the inserts are not supposed to fall out the back of the barrel. they are going to send me some orings to hold the inserts inplace. I guess it came with out them or this is the fix, all though I have no idea where there supposed to be in the barrel. Does any one elses DW barrel have orings to hold the inserts in place ?
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Old 03-16-2010, 12:06 PM #19
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I'm guessing that there will be an o-ring groove inside the back of the barrel, and that you need to push the o-ring in to the back of the barrel until it catches in the groove.
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Some of the first run DW barrels used one o-ring in the center of your insert and weren't as well machined at the back end. All the newer DW seem to fit inserts either perfectly or very tight (which isn't a problem just harder to insert).

I got my Geo last fall and hated the efficiency with the stock barrel. Of course I was shooting paint that was 0.683 or so on average and I was shooting a 0.693 stock barrel. That's crazy overboring and will ruin efficiency.

So I knew I was getting a kit of some sort to underbore the paint I was using, just had to decide which one. I had used a freak in the past so having all the inserts was a bonus cost wise. I tried three different kits (Sly, Hammerhead, and DW + freak). DW was so much lighter and cheaper, I went with that.

I can't say it's more accurate as I've never seen much difference in accuracy barrel to barrel, but I did get 10-20% efficiency boost going from 0.693 stock barrel to the DW + 0.679 freak insert. I even bought the freak reball insert in case paint keeps shrinking!

Basically, a great barrel, cheap if you already have freak inserts, average priced otherwise, and very light. Just about veryone with a Geo where I play either has a DW or plans to get one after trying them out.
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Certainly not a problem I've ever come across.

Do you have any other Autococker threaded markers? If so, does the Freak back fit those?
Haha, yes it is an autococker threaded freak back. It fits snugly on a team members geo, but not In mine.
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