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Old 02-24-2010, 11:34 AM #1
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Ok so Descartes said the world exists because God is not a deceiver because he is perfect and incapable of deception. And believing the God is perfect means the he probably accepted the ontological argument. But, as we all know that if the ontological argument were true, then I could imagine a monster that ate children and as long as it was "perfect" it would exist. And that every other religion could be right based merely off that argument. But, because of the fallacies in the ontological argument doe that mean Descartes theory is invalid as well?
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:24 PM #2
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Old 02-24-2010, 04:31 PM #3
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Ok so Descartes said the world exists because God is not a deceiver because he is perfect and incapable of deception. And believing the God is perfect means the he probably accepted the ontological argument. But, as we all know that if the ontological argument were true, then I could imagine a monster that ate children and as long as it was "perfect" it would exist. And that every other religion could be right based merely off that argument. But, because of the fallacies in the ontological argument doe that mean Descartes theory is invalid as well?
actually, Descartes established the existence of the world regardless of God. He begins the reduction assuming he is being deceived.
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actually, Descartes established the existence of the world regardless of God. He begins the reduction assuming he is being deceived.
this.

Also, Gaunilo's "lost Island" critique (attempting a reduction ad absurdum on the ontological argument) doesn't work because you can't have a perfect island, or a perfect monster. It really only works for God. So perhaps this does make the ontological argument weaker, but it doesn't disprove it.

God IS the greatest conceivable thing (as defined by Anselm). You can't equate anything else to that.
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