[impulseballer42586]

Originally Posted by imtgod

Omg Omg Omg What If Aka Buys Smartparts Out

id buy an AKA luxe

Luxe = DLX, they are still being made and are separate from smart parts.

[imtgod]

which is why the smartparts 09 impulse has the same frame as a luxe... right???

[Wenuliveudie]

Smart Parts is DLX's parent company, but DLX operates independently of Smart Parts.

[imtgod]

thats like saying a team operates independently of its sponsors....

[Wenuliveudie]

DLX is moving production and its headquarters to California to work out of Dye's facilities.

DLX has never been explicit in its relationship with Smart Parts.

[XKE]

yeah, i was told that luxes have been coming out of dyes shops for a while now actually.

[duscar]

so are you guys saying that the cyborg is basically a single tube viking? and whats the story behind the evil m? ive been out of the loop for a while

[Splatter Effect]

They're saying that part of the reason of macdev's success is that when the cyborg broke into the market, a good majority of AKA followers went to it and attested to it's build quality etc. helping with it's reputation.

Evil M's on the other hand are essentially a stack tubed viking (2 tubes not 3) in which people by Merlin extrusions and mill them anyway they like, use frames of their choice as well as boards and solenoids, triggers etc. While still using AKA style detents, bolts, regs, valves, rams, etc. There's a thread in the custom markers forum that can give you a better idea with picures of completed projects and projects in progress.

[yuik (Banned)]

Originally Posted by duscar

so are you guys saying that the cyborg is basically a single tube viking? and whats the story behind the evil m? ive been out of the loop for a while

similiar which is why they never appealed to me. i started planning an evil M , and when i was between macdevs red valve and aka valve, using macdevs frame, i was like **** this im better off buying a cybord and this will probably be way similiar.

[flomarilius]

Went to a couple of paintball shops today to pick up some essentials and I was told that the idea that DLX will be picked up by DYE is probably the most absurd idea they heard because the Luxe is in effect competing with the NT. The only gun that Dye could pick up off SP if they choose to go that route would be the impulse as Dye has a lack of poppit valve guns. Could Bob Long add the impulse to their line of markers, they already use the poppit technology?

[paintballer50505]

dye is not picking up dlx. luxe parts were being made in dye's california facility.

[commrad]

I know this is an old thread but sp petitioned to change from chapter 11 to chapter 7. pattens will be sold and if they are like denman tire (also chapter 7) they name will be sold as well. I have not read the agreement between aka and sp but if sp was the plaintiff named on the agreement and no one picks up the name, then sp name dies and there is no plaintiff in existence to file suit for breach of contract. aka could also buy the agreement in the liquidation. that would mean they own an agreement with themselves at which point they could file an injunction and have the agreement annulled. Technically anyone who buys it can annul the agreement.

If I understand correctly when liquidated items are general not included with the name (ie contracts, agreements ect)

THANK GOD (or what ever deity you prefer if any) that sp are getting what they deserve in the end. Karma will get ya every time

[VicodinES]

Nobody has read the agreement between AKA and SP except the people involved, so there's no way to know what exactly it said.

That being said, AKA is just a shell of what it used to be. Aaron is no longer with the company, and Dan has left as well. Larry and Eileen are still "running" AKA, but it comes down to nothing new is beign designed. At most, they could start producing 04 vikings and excals again, but nothing new would come out of it.

[oklahomaoutrage09]

Originally Posted by VicodinES

At most, they could start producing 04 vikings and excals again, but nothing new would come out of it.

which would still be better than most new markers anyhow.

[R3L]

I read somewhere (MCarterbrown probably) that a small batch of mechanical autococker-type guns is coming soon.

[i_luv_strats]

that's correct, check a couple threads down for it. i want one

[custar]

Originally Posted by commrad

I know this is an old thread but sp petitioned to change from chapter 11 to chapter 7. pattens will be sold and if they are like denman tire (also chapter 7) they name will be sold as well. I have not read the agreement between aka and sp but if sp was the plaintiff named on the agreement and no one picks up the name, then sp name dies and there is no plaintiff in existence to file suit for breach of contract. aka could also buy the agreement in the liquidation. that would mean they own an agreement with themselves at which point they could file an injunction and have the agreement annulled. Technically anyone who buys it can annul the agreement.

Almost all agreements such as that between SP and AKA contain catch-all phrases such as "and to all assigns, heirs, devisees, etc." which would allow (in this case) the assignee bank to enforce the settlement agreement if the bank chose to do so. In other words, unless the attorneys who drafted the settlement agreement were brain dead, that contract will survive SP's bankruptcy. Now, if AKA bought the agreement as part of the liquidation, AKA could effectively void the agreement. Don't hold your breath on this for the reasons identified by Vicodin. There WILL be bidders for the electro patent who can pay more than AKA.

custar

[oklahomaoutrage09]

Originally Posted by custar

There WILL be bidders for the electro patent who can pay more than AKA.

custar

however, some of those bidders would not be as selfish and could possibly void all agreements and not just their own. It is a bit optimistic, however, still possible.

[oklahomaoutrage09]

btw custar, check your pms on geisterjager...

[BigBeef]

There was a big thread about this somewhere here on PBN. What I could gather from it is that a lot of people think it's going to be legally possible for AKA to produce guns again. Basically CH 7 means everything is sold for cash to pay off creditors, which means the SP name will never exist again. Since SP is gone, the banks now have custody of their patents. Banks of course don't want them so they'll sell them for cash.

A lot of people in that thread think that A) any agreement between SP and AKA is gone, and B) whoever buys those patents from the bank could potentially allow AKA to make guns again. Whoever buys the patents have the right to allow that.

If there was an agreement between SP and specific people at AKA, those agreements should cease to exist and is bound by the patents, so whoever buys the patents would have that control and SP's agreements can piss off.

Some speculate that the SP owners will rebuy the patents and create a new company, but if the bank holds the patents, they may choose not to sell it back to them.

[robfromabove]

I think a lot of people have misconceptions about what happened between Smart Parts and AKA and what can potentially happen. Smart Parts offered AKA the right to continue to manufacturer markers as long as they paid royalties to them - and from what I remember, it was relatively small, less than $10 per marker. Now, with Larry at the helm, his pride prevented him from signing it, and with that Dan, Aaron, and Bart all left AKA to do their own thing - mostly putting all their efforts towards STD.

Even if any of the what-if's were to happen, you have to remember a couple of things. One, all of the engineering and manufacturing talent that really made AKA what it was is no longer there, and two, Larry doesn't have the drive or desire to get back into the industry.


I've been holding off on adding my 2¢ to this thread, but I finally caved. People just need to let go and accept that AKA will never make markers again. If you can find one, get your hands on one (if you don't already) - other than that, don't keep your hopes up.