[Buckfrenzy]

If they think it is illegal, they can just check the board. It will tell them what the cap is set at. Being able to shoot the cap has nothing to do with it...

[MPS Tim]

Again this rule is not subjective at all. The guns need to be set under "capped" the bps limit. So we should just take everyones word that they aren't going to shoot over when their gun is set for it? That very idea is subjective.

[ophooligan]

Originally Posted by MPS Tim

Again this rule is not subjective at all. The guns need to be set under "capped" the bps limit. So we should just take everyones word that they aren't going to shoot over when their gun is set for it? That very idea is subjective.

You are absolutly right you can't take their word. So, how do you prove that they shot over 12bps in a game without a PACT timer.
Are guns that are not able to be capped illegal?

[MPS Tim]

If it is not able to be capped (for an extreme example, a Tipmann 98) then it can not be capable of reaching the cap.

What it comes down to is this, your marker you bring on the field can not be able to exceed the cap. If a ref thinks it is fast it will be checked if they can shoot it over the cap then you will receive a penalty. If the ref can not, whether it be because it wasn't fast or they can't, then you are good to go. Chances are if you can the ref can because when I was a head ref, I appointed one of my players that I thought was quick on the fingers and knowledgeable of cheating guns, modes, switches, etc.

[ophooligan]

So any gun that is not capped it illegal because it has the potential to get above 12bps?

[Buckfrenzy]

Yes, obviously.

[ophooligan]

But it's not in the rules. So, which is it?
I'm know I'm being a jack ***, but I'm just pointing out a flaw in the rules.

[ophooligan]

Originally Posted by ophooligan

So any gun that is not capped it illegal because it has the potential to get above 12bps?

This should actually read, is any gun that is not capable of being capped illegal?

[Buckfrenzy]

If you read the beginning of this thread, it says:

"semi capped at 12"

How is this difficult to understand?

Also, of course any gun that cannot be capped at 12 is illegal...I am done with this.

[ophooligan]

10.02 - 3Man Level 4 must either have a marker or a hopper that does not contain any electronic components or provide any mechanical, electrical or pneumatic assist of any kinds. This includes batteries, electronic boards, rip drives, pneumatic assists, etc.

Can you cap these guns? So every gun that is required in 3man is illegal?
The rule is contradictory to what you are required to play with.
Again, it's a flaw, just pointing it out.

[MPS Tim]

All markers will need to be capped. If your marker can not be capped then it can not have the ability to go over the cap. If it is a marker that can not be capped, but can be shot over the cap, by you or someone else, then it is illegal.

For a recap. You can not have a marker on the field that can shoot over 12 bps. If you do this will result in a penalty. A referee will be appointed to shoot the guns. This will be done on a case by case basis, if a ref or I think that a marker sounds fast then it will be tested. If you have a marker that doesn't have the option to cap it then you can not use it unless it is physically impossible for it to breach the bps cap.

There really isn't much more to say on this so unless something new is brought up this will probably be my last post on this topic. OPhooligan if this doesn't answer your questions then we may just have to agree to disagree, (and that is ok.)

Anyway, I am looking forward to the MPS this season. Good luck, get registered and get your pictures uploaded.

[ophooligan]

Nope, got it.

[Tornado Alley]

most boards are able to be capped if not you can possibly have it flashed to the newest PSP rules and that will cover MPS rules.