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Old 08-27-2014, 07:31 AM #1
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Rarest ever?

This might be a stupid question to some, but I was wondering what is the top 3 rarest angels, and why? Also, how much do they usually sell for?

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Old 08-27-2014, 08:41 AM #2
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Nymph was one of a kind. Ripper LCD is pretty rare. Not 100% sure what I'd pick as the third off the top of my head.

Problem with the really rare Angels is that they don't go up for sale often enough to get a great grip on value.
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Old 08-27-2014, 08:57 AM #3
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The Nymph was a one-off custom job, so I wouldn't necessarily include it. Probably the rarest Angels to reach the public via WDP would be the JR signature guns, but those weren't production guns.
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In terms of factory production (or from a shop) as opposed to "i milled it myself". Price is hard because they do not come up for sale.

1. Brass Eagle V6 right side breech hinge. Never made it out to the public that anyone is willing to admit. Speculating, 2k+
2. Joy LCD - only a few (one or two) known to exist, value if it came up for sale would be over 1k.
3. Element LCDs - less than two dozen of all three varieties and variations in the wild. If complete price would be near 1k
4. JR signature. As Doc said above, 750+
5. PL A1 Fly graphic anno (vampire girl, bondage, evil kenvil, bruce lee, yoda, cherub, cheeky are names tossed around). 1 each gloss and dust accessories I believe. $400-$800 depending on which one.

In terms of "rarest yet still obtainable" and highly desired
1. Ripper LCDs. Only a few dozen. I was offered 800 for mine with bad anno.
2. Dye LCDs. There is a fair number out there, alot are aced and condition poor. Even in fair condition they sell for $640
3. Adrenaline Featherlight LCDs. Very few, even less without torn feednecks. Easy $400+
4. Rocky LCDs. Not many out there, few are complete. $400 and up
5. Dark g7fly. Very desirable milling, rare to be complete without torn breech. $500+
6. A1 Fly Sly. Very desirable, very few out there. $500+
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Old 08-27-2014, 10:47 AM #5
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There were what, 30 Sly Flys made I think.
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Old 08-27-2014, 10:50 AM #6
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im feeling like i missed some important ones, but my (normal 1hr) 3hr commute this morning has made me a little foggy
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Old 08-27-2014, 10:52 AM #7
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I would love a Sly Fly. I'm still bummed I sold my mint A1 Fly SE but it went to a great owner.

Where do the black with white laser engraved snake Cobra A1 Fly's stack up in terms of value and rarity?
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I would love a Sly Fly. I'm still bummed I sold my mint A1 Fly SE but it went to a great owner.

Where do the black with white laser engraved snake Cobra A1 Fly's stack up in terms of value and rarity?
I'd be curious about all the Cobra ones. There are blue and maybe red as well. The blue with the lasered Cobra logo looked pretty awesome.

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Old 08-27-2014, 10:58 AM #9
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Adrenalin LEDs still fetch around $400 I think in great condition. Correct me if I am wrong though. Same thing with Cobra LEDs.
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Yes. ADrenaline LEDs should be on the list. I havent seen a Cobra LED. LCD yes, and they come up for same in the 200-300 range.

The lasered cobra a1flies could have made the list too.

As could have impact lcds, impact ir3s, rocky ir3s, etc.. but i was really trying to cherry pick the rarest. Totally subjective.
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Old 08-27-2014, 11:12 AM #11
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I have a Cobra LED. I wil ltry to get some pics up of it later.
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I'd be curious about all the Cobra ones. There are blue and maybe red as well. The blue with the lasered Cobra logo looked pretty awesome.

There are red ones, yes. I've got one. I've seen a black one and I remember someone mentioning something about cobra A1 flys that weren't lasered, too.

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Yes. ADrenaline LEDs should be on the list. I havent seen a Cobra LED. LCD yes, and they come up for same in the 200-300 range.

The lasered cobra a1flies could have made the list too.

As could have impact lcds, impact ir3s, rocky ir3s, etc.. but i was really trying to cherry pick the rarest. Totally subjective.
Cobra LEDs are super rare I guess? I've teched one locally. #2 I believe? Or 3. The first one that was off the line that didn't go to factory people went to Rusty Glaze, or so I'm told.

Impact IR3 is a run of 100, I think.
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Old 08-27-2014, 11:35 AM #13
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Impact LCD is 100 also, 10 of each 5 color solid, 10 of each 5 color fade.
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Old 08-27-2014, 12:45 PM #14
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In LED's, which I know better than other models, some very rare ones that come to mind are:

The JR's. There were only four produced.

The "S" serial number guns were were for "Special" meaning factory test/prototype guns. Really built for internal use and not for sale but at some point I'm sure that they all got sold or ended up in public circulation.

Cobra's, only 25 or so.

Adrenaline's, factory built in the 20's and customer sent in guns in the 40's I think.

Euro SE's, don't know how many but you don't see them often.

Yin and Yang, 11 produced.

V6, I don't believe that they exist. I have NEVER seen a single piece of evidence to make me think otherwise. My theory is that the photo in the early ad was just reversed(easy and common to do in advertising) for a certain look and people just assume that some reversed LED's were made. I'd love to be proven wrong but find me somebody who has a V6 and that will provide a current dated picture. It's the Loch Ness of Angels.
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:22 PM #15
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Thanks for chiming in Ryan, as you noticed mine we all LCDs

The alien abductions are on the list too, but you see more of those for sale as they were produced in higher numbers

I think its time to revisit the "whats my angel" listing
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:45 PM #16
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Hey, that Cobra looks familiar
Their were only 35 Sly Fly's made. Haven't seen one up for sale in over a year.
In the graphics Fly, forgot to mention the Flaming Skull Jeff
Another one that is a favorite of mine that you rarely see is the Stars and Stripes LED.
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I didnt list the stars and stripes since i have one but have no idea how many were produced

Truth series too, but those show up more often. I more and more think i need to do a wikia page but i just dont have the time. Maybe at least I can lend a hand to the whats my angel thread which is missing a bunch
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V6, I don't believe that they exist. I have NEVER seen a single piece of evidence to make me think otherwise. My theory is that the photo in the early ad was just reversed(easy and common to do in advertising) for a certain look and people just assume that some reversed LED's were made.
It's probably lost to time now, but I believe at AOG many, many years ago we got confirmation from JR himself, or possibly somebody else at WDP, that the "V6" used in the early marketing materials was a pre-production prototype that JR was still tinkering with when they nabbed it for some promo shots - a literal 1 of 1. Supposedly the breech was reversed due to JR's left-handedness. Due to those original marketing materials folks started referring to all of the early model LED's with the push-button reg as "V6's", which wasn't entirely accurate. Even if all the details of that story aren't completely accurate, I'm inclined to think the gun in the "V6" pics actually did open to the opposite side, because if they had simply flipped an image of the right side of the gun in an editor, there shouldn't have been a ball detent on the subsequent flipped image, there being no ball detent on the right side of the gun in those days. However, in all of those "V6" marketing shots there is, in fact, a ball detent right where you would expect it to be. The same could be said for the on/off switch. It is located on the right side of the grip frame and should have subsequently appeared on the left side of the flipped image, yet it isn't there in the photos. There also appears to be a visible set screw for the breech pivot pin on the right side of the gun (actually, there appear to be set screws on both sides). There is no such set screw on the production models since there is no slot drilled out for the breech rod on that side.




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This thread is making me feel nostalgic. I'm partial to Rippers and Alien Abductions

I forgot how many Rippers were originally milled by Jim Eaton. I thought that I read that someone did a last run of ripper bodies a few years ago. I can't imagine there being more than 20 floating around.
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Their were only 35 Sly Fly's made. Haven't seen one up for sale in over a year.
I know. I want one

It's going to sell for so much when it shows up too...
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This thread is making me feel nostalgic. I'm partial to Rippers and Alien Abductions

I forgot how many Rippers were originally milled by Jim Eaton. I thought that I read that someone did a last run of ripper bodies a few years ago. I can't imagine there being more than 20 floating around.
I have been trying to figure that out. I know him offline kinda (FB), ill see if I can get an answer.
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