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Old 11-28-2014, 03:34 AM #1
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Why am I told to sell the Angel and get a geo 3.5?

It never fails! I go to any field and as soon as I pull out my Angel I am told I should sell that and get the newest latest Planet E. marker they have. I don't care about getting a $1500 marker. I don't compete in tournaments anywhere near the amount of times that would begin to consider to buy one.
Even if i did I would still shoot my Angel. I love my marker and I will never give it up. I know planet makes good markers but come on. That's all I see now going to the field is geos and ego.

Does anyone else get this from people?

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Old 11-28-2014, 06:01 AM #2
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Old 11-28-2014, 07:26 AM #3
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who tells you to do so? players or the shop? lol
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Old 11-28-2014, 07:46 AM #4
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Old 11-28-2014, 09:42 AM #5
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A ego and an angel are like comparing apples to oranges- who says **** like this??? Oh, people that can't work on them any more- my local shop wouldn't - and they were always trying to get me into something dye or pe
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Old 11-28-2014, 10:36 AM #6
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Unless someone is backing you/your team, shoot what you like. It's really that simple.
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Old 11-28-2014, 10:39 AM #7
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Old 11-28-2014, 12:24 PM #8
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Angels get no love, but that's one of the things I like about them these days.

Very very few poppets will out perform a well tuned A1 Fly/SB. Every time I get a gun that I haven't shot before I take it to the chrono and shoot it side by side with one of my Angels. The Angels beat or tie all poppets but the LV1 that I have tested so far and better than many spoolies as well. The A1/SB platform may not be the most reliable out there but with all the upgrades they are darn good performers!
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Old 11-28-2014, 01:42 PM #9
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Shoot what you like. Most people are under the impression that the new stuff is the best stuff. In some cases the new stuff is just barely catching up to stuff APS did with the SB.
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Old 11-28-2014, 01:55 PM #10
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It's players and sometimes stores.

I don't have any sponsors and personally I like it that way because I'm not tide to anything. I like to be able to run with any gear that best fits me and my play style.

Every now and then I will see a dye out there. Until they start selling them with an OLED board I'm not looking at them. I really don't car for much of their stuff to be honest. I really don't care about a lot of today's markers. I only really care about angels, cockers, mags, cci, and ccm pumps.
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Old 11-28-2014, 01:58 PM #11
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A ego and an angel are like comparing apples to oranges- who says **** like this??? Oh, people that can't work on them any more- my local shop wouldn't - and they were always trying to get me into something dye or pe


My shop will not touch Angels either. They try to get me to buy the axe, lv1 for a geo. They do get a nice deal with pe because that's all they push to sell. That and empire.
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Old 11-28-2014, 01:59 PM #12
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Shoot what you like. Most people are under the impression that the new stuff is the best stuff. In some cases the new stuff is just barely catching up to stuff APS did with the SB.


I know, I shot a geo gsl not to long ago and didn't feel any better then the geos. Same with the 3.5.
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Shoot what you like. Most people are under the impression that the new stuff is the best stuff. In some cases the new stuff is just barely catching up to stuff APS did with the SB.
This is actually pretty true.

APS was ahead of the curve with the magno valve, OLED screens on boards (many high ends still are without it), and efficiency. IF they would have had rams that were serviceable from the factory, you would have had a different outcome.

What I like about angels is the versatility. You can set them up to shoot ultra efficient, and sacrifice some smoothness, or shoot super smooth, and still get a higher shot count than a spool valve.

Shoot what you like.
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Old 11-28-2014, 07:09 PM #14
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This is actually pretty true.

APS was ahead of the curve with the magno valve, OLED screens on boards (many high ends still are without it), and efficiency. IF they would have had rams that were serviceable from the factory, you would have had a different outcome.

What I like about angels is the versatility. You can set them up to shoot ultra efficient, and sacrifice some smoothness, or shoot super smooth, and still get a higher shot count than a spool valve.

Shoot what you like.
how would one set it to shoot ultra efficient and like wise on shooting super smooth.

My A1 fly Gothic is currently sitting at 42psi lpr 250psi hpr (300fps) (quoted at 180psi i was wrong) dwell set at 5.0 tadao board tank reg pressure set around 450psi output.

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Old 11-28-2014, 07:35 PM #15
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Old 11-28-2014, 07:52 PM #16
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Old 11-28-2014, 10:31 PM #17
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how would one set it to shoot ultra efficient and like wise on shooting super smooth.

My A1 fly Gothic is currently sitting at 42psi lpr 250psi hpr (300fps) (quoted at 180psi i was wrong) dwell set at 5.0 tadao board tank reg pressure set around 450psi output.
Do you have a small bore kit, or just the stock barrel?

Your pressure of 250psi to reach 300 fps, that's a bit high.

Are you using the D-lite valve stem, or a stock (metal) magno valve stem?
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Your pressure of 250psi to reach 300 fps, that's a bit high.
It's probably because his LPR is so low.
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Old 11-29-2014, 12:18 AM #19
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Do you have a small bore kit, or just the stock barrel?

Your pressure of 250psi to reach 300 fps, that's a bit high.

Are you using the D-lite valve stem, or a stock (metal) magno valve stem?
I was thinking it was a little high too. Why I asked.

D-lite valve stem am using I, The stock (metal) stem snapped in half.

If I bring my dwell up to 6.5 the pressure is lower. And if my lpr pressure was higher it would go down to, but I like the lpr that low. EastCostAngel teched it for me. Though I can't remember what he had the pressure set to at 280fps and I think then the dwell was set to 5.5.

Oh to answer the barrel question. I managed to get my hands on a .686 barrel back for my sly barrel kit for it. My field paint is usually around .684-.683. That was the closest I could find for a back till I can get one of my stock backs freak bored.

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Old 11-29-2014, 01:49 AM #21
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With all the updates(Booster bolt, Magno valve, D-lite valve stem, Magno ram hammer) and proper paint-barrel match a healthy Fly/SB should shoot money at 180psi HPR, 55-60psi LPR, and dwell at 5.5ms. That's where I set all mine before heading to the field. Many times no adjustments are needed at the chrono.
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