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Old 07-21-2014, 08:52 AM #1
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A1 asa

So I recently acquired an a1 but it did not come with the screws for the asa. Could anyone help lead me in the right direction? I've been looking for a couple weeks now and have found nothing.
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Old 07-21-2014, 09:40 AM #2
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Uh... wat.

The A1 has a built in rail that the ASA slides on. Some A1s have had the rail milled off.

The only thing I can picture you needing atm is the screws that mount whatever rail you have onto the grip frame because your rail is milled off. At which point it should be M5-0.80x10mm. The ASA would then go onto said rail.
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Old 07-21-2014, 09:54 AM #3
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Unless his is missing the screws for the built in rail. Which I don't think I've seen else where, so you'd need an A1 screw kit.

Which you can probably get from pbsports.com
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:00 AM #4
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I have lots of those tapered hex screws laying around. Just sayin'. Anybody is welcome to PM me.

That said, I HATE those tapered screws!!! Can I say that again? They SUCK! Anybody who values their grip frames should buy 10-32 x 3/8" set screws and thread them down from the inside of the grip frame to hold the ASA in place. This is how APS did it on the SB/AR:K and it is a far superior way of holding the ASA in place without damaging the grip frame. I've lost count of the number of A1's I've had with broken dove tails from those stupid tapered screws. Can you tell they aren't my favorite?
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:04 AM #5
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Unless his is missing the screws for the built in rail. Which I don't think I've seen else where, so you'd need an A1 screw kit.

Which you can probably get from pbsports.com
Yeah the built in rail is not milled off.
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:04 AM #6
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I have lots of those tapered hex screws laying around. Just sayin'. Anybody is welcome to PM me.

That said, I HATE those tapered screws!!! Can I say that again? They SUCK! Anybody who values their grip frames should buy 10-32 x 3/8" set screws and thread them down from the inside of the grip frame to hold the ASA in place. This is how APS did it on the SB/AR:K and it is a far superior way of holding the ASA in place without damaging the grip frame. I've lost count of the number of A1's I've had with broken dove tails from those stupid tapered screws. Can you tell they aren't my favorite?
Yeah, they suck. And the rear on mine is stripped out. It just turns and turns. Beautiful. But my buddy has a nice work shop and did a great job on my first A1 of cutting the rail bits off nice and level/smooth. Which I plan on doing with my Fly.
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:10 AM #7
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I have lots of those tapered hex screws laying around. Just sayin'. Anybody is welcome to PM me.

That said, I HATE those tapered screws!!! Can I say that again? They SUCK! Anybody who values their grip frames should buy 10-32 x 3/8" set screws and thread them down from the inside of the grip frame to hold the ASA in place. This is how APS did it on the SB/AR:K and it is a far superior way of holding the ASA in place without damaging the grip frame. I've lost count of the number of A1's I've had with broken dove tails from those stupid tapered screws. Can you tell they aren't my favorite?
So is that why everyone was milling off the built on rail?
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:11 AM #8
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So is that why everyone was milling off the built on rail?
Yep. The built in rail is made up of 4 small sections. 2 in front and 2 in back. The screws are used to spread the sections apart. Those sections can break off pretty easily. Basically once one breaks off, the rest of it is hosed.
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:15 AM #9
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My A1 had the built-in rail milled off. Took a standard rail, which worked out pretty well.
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Yeah, the standard threaded holes are already there, so you may as well just take advantage of the more secure mounting.
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:51 AM #11
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I think that size I gave you is actually for the rail set screw of the later gen. If the rail has the holes, it should work.
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Old 07-21-2014, 11:02 AM #12
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I think that size I gave you is actually for the rail set screw of the later gen. If the rail has the holes, it should work.
Nope, all A1's. I have a bag of 10-32 set screws on my bench just for this purpose. That's also how I repair broken ones, milling off the remainder and installing a universal mini rail using the factory 10-32 holes. All of my personal A1 family guns get the tapered screws removed and 10-32 set screws installed promptly. It's why I have so many of them kicking around now. That plus the parts kits.
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Old 07-21-2014, 11:20 AM #13
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Oh, ok. Good to know. 10-32 fine is M5-0.8, didn't know that. Also good to know. I have a bunch of those, too. Might swap out all those tapered screws.
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Old 07-21-2014, 11:26 AM #14
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Nope, all A1's. I have a bag of 10-32 set screws on my bench just for this purpose. That's also how I repair broken ones, milling off the remainder and installing a universal mini rail using the factory 10-32 holes. All of my personal A1 family guns get the tapered screws removed and 10-32 set screws installed promptly. It's why I have so many of them kicking around now. That plus the parts kits.
So what you do with ones where the rail is intact is you put set screws in from inside the frame and down to lock the asa in place, correct?
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I have lots of those tapered hex screws laying around. Just sayin'. Anybody is welcome to PM me. That said, I HATE those tapered screws!!! Can I say that again? They SUCK! Anybody who values their grip frames should buy 10-32 x 3/8" set screws and thread them down from the inside of the grip frame to hold the ASA in place. This is how APS did it on the SB/AR:K and it is a far superior way of holding the ASA in place without damaging the grip frame. I've lost count of the number of A1's I've had with broken dove tails from those stupid tapered screws. Can you tell they aren't my favorite?
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So what you do with ones where the rail is intact is you put set screws in from inside the frame and down to lock the asa in place, correct?
Yes, just remove the tapered hex screws and install the 10-32 set screws. I usually like a dab of loctite so they don't get loose. But simply line up the ASA where you want it and tighten them from the inside. You can do this without removing the board. I just did this a second time on my son's Fly because we swapped grip frames.
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Man you guys have been so helpful! Not being able to use this has been driving me up the wall.
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[quote=rkj1974;82508809]I have lots of those tapered hex screws laying around. Just sayin'. Anybody is welcome to PM me.

That said, I HATE those tapered screws!!! Can I say that again? They SUCK! Anybody who values their grip frames should buy 10-32 x 3/8" set screws and thread them down from the inside of the grip frame to hold the ASA in place. This is how APS did it on the SB/AR:K and it is a far superior way of holding the ASA in place without damaging the grip frame. I've lost count of the number of A1's I've had with broken dove tails from those stupid tapered screws. Can you tell they aren't my favorite? [/QOUTE]

Btw I'm doing this asap. Thank you!!!
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