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Old 12-13-2009, 06:44 PM #1
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Italia does an interview...

So.. Here is the MP3 download:
http://media.libsyn.com/media/brwp/BRWP132.mp3

At: 17:00 they talk about what is happening with Smart Parts

In short - Shutting down manufacturing in the US and moving over seas and right now everything in the US is completely shut down.

At: 20:30 Italia talks about the physics, and says that the 1.25 gram 50 cal ball vs the 3.2 gram .68 caliber, is basically identical in a controlled environment and that you "can't tell the difference".

Reason is his physics!!! If you shrink the weight down by 2/3's, well, then of course, you need to make the ball 2/3's more BRITTLE!!! to compensate for it.


at: 25:40 - says they are 100% there and ready to roll for rec ball play.

But of course they haven't released it yet...

I'm still listening, but this stuff is rich.

32:40 - Talks about Lasoya and how he said 50 cal was going to take over the industry. Italia jumps around the question, but basically says YES, that 50 caliber will take over the industry and replace .68 because there is NO downside to .50 caliber as he says.

34:40 - can't give us an exact price on the paint yet. Still....

37:00 - ASTM Standards - and changing them.

40:30 - ASTM faster than 300 fps? Italia says: No
He says that 50 caliber has a misconception because it doesn't travel as far... It does travel as far so says Italia.

43:30 - Refers to Tippmann saying NO to .50 caliber, Italia says he's not heard of it. Italia says: Tippmann owners are not paintball players and Howard in particular doesn't know what he's talking about.
I guess Tippmann (according to Italia) just haven't done their own testing to find out what Italia already knows.

53:00 - He hasn't met anyone that has picked up a .50 caliber and hasn't liked it. He refers to world cup... Only one guy didn't like the .50 caliber and he must have worked for Tippmann... Again, there must be a Tippmann conspiracy. LOL.

1:07:50 - 50 caliber is currently not allowed at the PSP level until the netting gets changed as the .50 caliber does not meet certain standards on netting that is fine for 68, but doesn't work well for 50

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Well, that's it for now. Have a listen, and you arm chair physics guys just sitting at your computer, go back to school, because you have no idea what you're talking about according to Richmond.
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Old 12-13-2009, 08:00 PM #2
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The problem with Italia is he over advertised. He should have in no way shape or form called 50cal "Paintball 2.0". He basically hyped everything to death and didn't stop to consider how far he had to fall off his mountain of bull****. When this first came about I was already to try 50 out and give it a chance. This **** is making me think twice about the "revolution". Italia's better pull his head out of his *** and make this happen or he's gonna lose more credibility than the Gardners and Gino combined.
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Old 12-13-2009, 09:02 PM #3
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Tippmann owners aren't paintballers? lol wow...i own a 98 am i not a paintballer Italia??
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Old 12-13-2009, 09:04 PM #4
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Lose more credibility? Hasn't he lost enough throughout everything he's been involved with in the paintball industry? The guy is a scam artist who hops around and kills companies... Why would anyone take him seriously even without this .50 cal bull****?
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Old 12-13-2009, 09:06 PM #5
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Tippmann owners aren't paintballers? lol wow...i own a 98 am i not a paintballer Italia??
Owners of the COMPANY. Not the individual players who own markers.

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The guy is a scam artist who hops around and kills companies... Why would anyone take him seriously even without this .50 cal bull****?
What companies has he killed?
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Owners of the COMPANY. Not the individual players who own markers.
True. I was going to say, this guy is getting a little redic.
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Nevermind, I was confusing Italia with Spurrlock. Both of them are troublemakers, but Spurrlock was the one who jumped around tanking companies. Italia was just involved with Spurrlock when they started the DXS Pulse ****. They are still working together with this .50 cal nonsense despite the total drama they caused for Procaps with the Pulse. Either way you cut it, Italia and Spurrlock are two shady *** characters, and they're both involved knee deep in this bull****. I wonder if this will be a wake up call for people to realize who is behind .50 cal and exactly the kind of people they are.
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As far as I remember the drama with the pulse was caused by KEE not wanting to be out foxed when the Magna came out.
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Basically what happened was Spurlock brought the RF loader technology over from Odyssey after he sent them into the ****ter (after already having leap frogged to Odyssey after tanking a bunch of companies that produced the Dragun markers). Italia was more than happy to use the technology that didn't belong to Mr. Spurlock, knowing full well it was illegal and this caused Procaps/DXS to get sued by Odyssey's new parent company, NPS/KEE.

Basically Procaps got pissed and Italia had to sign a non-compete clause with regards to .68 cal paintball. This is his way of saving his stake in the business. It has nothing to do with any actual benefit for paintballers, field owners, etc. It's a way for Italia to get his grubby little fingers on some more moolah. And if it ****s up the industry at all? He really doesn't care, he's used to causing trouble, and/or dealing with other low lives that do the same.
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:18 AM #10
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the only real problem i had with it is that they were claiming that psychics, for some reason don't apply 2 .50 cal. and i fairly sure chris lasoya could beat alot of players with a .50cal let a lone a ****y *** gun.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:19 AM #11
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Only someone involded with the Gardeners could take such a stance against the playing community, frankly this is pathetic that someone trying to push a new product spins this much bull with nothing but money to back it up. With SP going under, GI is going to inherit/purchase alot of thier crap, possibly the strangling patents SP holds over the industry.
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If buying 50. cal will make my hair will look like chris laysoya's I will buy all kinds of 50. cal stuff!!!
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Originally Posted by warbeak2099(on .50 cal)
It gets 1k shots more per fill because of the lazering. Don't worry about it making sense, Chris Lasoya says it's true so that's good enough for me...

Seriously though, his shampoo has got to have ****ing heroine in it
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:01 PM #13
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i'm sorry if i'm not knowledgeable enough but what show is this? Who is the interviewer? When was this interview?

Edit: Thanks for the answers!
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Only someone involded with the Gardeners could take such a stance against the playing community, frankly this is pathetic that someone trying to push a new product spins this much bull with nothing but money to back it up. With SP going under, GI is going to inherit/purchase alot of thier crap, possibly the strangling patents SP holds over the industry.
If you listen to the interview he discusses SP restarting production in Asia. He also states that GI Milsim is already having their markers made in Asia. GI Milsim is also a partner of GI Milsim. Not owners but partners. He also mentions the 50cal Luxe.
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I feel .50cal is more suited for the foreign market due to gun laws / ballistic restrictions.

Correctly applied physics will accurately model real world results. I feel his claim that 50cal is nearly identical to 68cal is wildly outrageous.

i don't understand why the thickness of the ribbon has anything to do with the diameter of the cutting surface on the drum.
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I feel .50cal is more suited for the foreign market due to gun laws / ballistic restrictions.
This is true. 50 caliber may be better suited for Germany or the Asian market where gun laws are very strict.

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Correctly applied physics will accurately model real world results. I feel his claim that 50cal is nearly identical to 68cal is wildly outrageous.
On some order it is close, but in many ways it falls short in direct comparison.

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i don't understand why the thickness of the ribbon has anything to do with the diameter of the cutting surface on the drum.
The ribbon thickness has to do with the very minimum shell thickness. Nothing more, nothing less. The drum though, can be retooled for 50 caliber which will allow for production of more balls in the same square area of ribbon.
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So that's what they've been doing with the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) in Switzerland - they've been changing the laws of physics so .50 doesn't suck!
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ICorrectly applied physics will accurately model real world results. I feel his claim that 50cal is nearly identical to 68cal is wildly outrageous.
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TOn some order it is close, but in many ways it falls short in direct comparison.
spitle bug nailed it.

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Mr. Italia makes some pretty interesting statements regarding ASTM International. I am not quite sure he fully understands how ASTM International operates, let alone the actual physics behind 50 caliber paintballs.

Moreover, he makes some petty and snide remarks about forum goers and other companies. People who are doing calculations on the Physics, when even the most rudimentary laws of physics shows that many of his claims have been bogus or not contextual at the very least.

He also essentially accuses North American paintball companies of being complacent in regards to overseas manufacturing and allowing Asian companies a foothold in the market. Then, he notes that G.I. Milsim markers (excepting the Nano 50) will be manufactured in Asia.

While some of his comments regarding Asian paint manufacturers are true to a certain extent like sponsoring teams, he goes on to say that only 1% of the industry is tournament players which highlights the absurdity of his comments on the matter in the first place. Most paintball players play on their own dime.

I have yet to see any price point savings on anything from G.I. Milsim, particularly where marker costs are concerned.

"Suit and tie people".

Well count me in with the business men with a legitimate business plan. Thanks.
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I listened to the entire interview. If 50 caliber paint PROMISES me 30% savings, similiar, identical, or better performance then 68 caliber I'am on board.
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