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Old 11-18-2009, 06:15 PM #1
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The truth (sorta) about the Etek3.

OK, it’s now the 19th of November, the PALS World Cup has kicked off, and Planet have unveiled the Etek3. Well, give or take a few time zones.....

The Etek forum is about to be swamped with Etek3 questions, so lets deal with some of the questions that are likely to be most common.

Q. So, what are the differences between the Etek3 and previous Eteks?

A. Working vaguely from top to bottom, you now have the following: -

· Obviously, new milling goes without saying.
· A stock lever clamping feed neck.
· A new two-piece barrel with plainer milling, but the same quality internal finish.
· A Cure bolt.
· A pin with an inset o-ring for easy grip, with a stiff detent spring to stop the pin popping up.
· The LPR cap has simplified milling of course, but has the same internals as the SL8R LPR.
· You have an integrated front reg mount, and consequently, now have a “Torpedo” hose barb to connect the LP hose from the LPR to the solenoid manifold.
· You have the ported LPR housing as found on the Ego10.
· You have a smaller valve and rammer housing.
· The new rammer housing uses the newer generation of Ego rammers, rather then the Etek specific rammer found in the Etek and Etek2.
· You have the Zick rammer stock.
· You have the same Etek solenoid as normal, but now with a new manifold that feeds air directly to the rammer housing, eliminating two length of LP hose.
· You have a new frame, with a new trigger.
. The frame has screw posts at the top to prevent the grip frame screws from being turned in too far - in combination with shorter screws, this prevents screw damage to the manifold.
· The frame uses the Etek3 specific grips.
· The trigger now has magnetic trigger return.
· You have the same board as found in the Etek2, but this has new firmware, with a wider range of adjustable parameters than previously.
· You have the 2009 version of the OOPS ASA, as found on the Geo and Ego9.
· You have the S3 self purging HPR regulator as found on the Geo and Ego9.
· All screws are nyloc patched to prevent them vibrating loose.

In some respects, this is as big a step for the Etek platform as the changes that occurred between the ’06 Ego and the Ego7. While the Etek3 retains the rammer housing and integrated valve assembly, the inclusion of an integrated front reg mount separates the Etek3 from the previous Etek designs, that owed a lot to the design of the ’05 and ’06 Ego. However, even the rammer housing has been changed greatly to allow for a smaller body, and to allow the use of the Ego rammer.

On top of that you have some changes that have occurred simply because they are now standard to the Planet line of markers – the ’09 OOPS ASA for instance, and the S3 reg.

Beyond that, you are looking at a wide range of updates, upgrades and changes to the Etek platform.


Q. I’ve heard that the Etek3 is basically a downgraded Ego7 with different milling. Is this true?

A. While this has been widely stated, this is not in fact correct. The Etek3 has the integrated front reg mount, as introduced with the Ego7, but still has a separate rammer housing (with integrated valve assembly). It has no QEV, and the new manifold means that one cannot be fitted. It still uses the same solenoid as the Etek, rather than one of the various faster solenoids used in the different Ego models. It doesn’t have the roller bearing trigger of an Ego7, and nor does it have the LCD board.

Q. What Ego model does the Etek3 stack up to?

A. If you have read this whole thread, you’ll have hopefully realised by now that – while obviously related - to a greater or lesser extent, the Etek is a separate line of markers to the Ego. It is a purpose made, budget, Ego-style marker, rather than an actual Ego with some bits and pieces left off.

OK, it’s 2009, nearly 2010, the Etek3 is new, with a raft of updated features, and the ’06 Ego that the original Etek shared some similarity with is now four years old. I don’t think that it is unfair to say that the ’05 and ’06 Ego are looking a little bit long in the tooth compared to newer versions of the Ego. It is perhaps not surprising that the Etek3 now has some features that didn’t exist when the ’05 and ’06 Ego were released.

So, you do have some features that the ’06 Ego did not have. You have the two-piece barrel for one thing, the Cure bolt, the Zick Kit, the SL8R LPR and S3 HPR, and you eliminate two lengths of LP hose. I think you could quite fairly claim that the Etek3 has, certainly in some respects, a better feature set than the ’06 Ego. However….. you are still missing the LCD board, spring adjustment on the trigger (the ’06 Ego has both spring and magnetic return), QEVs and the faster solenoid. As has been the message throughout this thread, even with the Etek3, there are still differences between the Etek platform and the Ego platform.

If we look then at the Ego7, and compare that to the Etek3, the Etek3 has the Zick Kit over the Ego7, the S3 HPR and SL8R LPR, the LPR vent and the 2009 OOPS, plus it eliminates two lengths of LP hose. The Ego7 has it’s roller bearing trigger, LCD board, QEV, faster solenoid and one-piece body.

In comparison to the Ego8, the Etek3 has the LPR vent over the Ego8, the S3 HPR, SL8R LPR and the newer OOPS, and eliminates two lengths of LP hose. The Ego8 has it’s roller bearing trigger, LCD board, QEV block, faster solenoid and the one-piece body.

In comparison to the Ego9, the Etek3 has the vented LPR housing, and, well, that’s about it. The Ego9 has the Cure2 bolt, it’s roller bearing trigger, the LCD board, and a faster, direct feeding and direct venting solenoid - much like having QEVs, but without the actual QEVs.

In comparison to the Ego10, the Etek3 is missing the Zick2 and Cure3 bolt, the roller bearing trigger, the LCD board and the faster solenoid.

So, the Etek3 has outstripped the ’05 and ’06 Egos in some respects, but not in others; it has made large advances towards the Ego7, and improved on it in some respects (Zick rammer, newer regs, LPR vent and 2009 OOPS), and even has some updates over the Ego8 (newer regs, LPR vent and OOPS), but there are still some aspects of even the oldest Egos that are not matched by the Etek3.


Q. What factory upgrades are there for the Etek3?

A. You could install a Cure2 or Cure3 bolt.

The use of the new generation of Ego rammers – rather than an Etek specific rammer – means that you can install a Zick2 rammer. It uses the rammer cap supplied with Zick2 rammer, so no Etek specific parts are required to make this upgrade.

Barrel threads are the same, so you can user the Shaft3 barrel back upgrade with the stock Etek3 barrel.

You can install the Emortal LCD board.

While the trigger bracket (made of a synthetic material to reduce friction) appears similar to that of the later Ego models with roller bearing triggers, there is currently no intention of releasing a bearing carrier for the stock trigger, or a complete roller bearing trigger assembly.


Q. Is the Emortal LCD upgrade anything like the Etek STAR frame?

A. The Etek STAR frame was a complete package of upgrades for the Etek – a new frame, new grips, and Ego8 style LCD board, and Ego8 style roller bearing trigger and a QEV.

The Emortal LCD board is different – first and foremost in that it is just a board upgrade. It is an LCD board – with all the LCD supported adjustments and features that you would expect from a planet LCD board – that drops straight in to your stock Etek3 frame. You already have the Ego7/8 style grips, so no change there. As has already been mentioned, there is no roller bearing upgrade for the Etek3 trigger, and the new manifold does not allow for fitting a QEV. So, a board is what you get.

Not withstanding that, this is the closest thing you will get to the Etek STAR frame upgrade.



Q. What new adjustments does the stock board have?

A. As well as the firing mode, eye on, and eye off rate of fire, dwell, debounce and eye delay time that you had previously, you now also have adjustable ramp activation rate, and adjustable ramp deactivation time.

Q. What rate of fire does the new stock board have?

A. The new board can be adjusted from 4.0bps to 15.4bps in 0.1bps steps, with the eyes on or off.

Q. How about the Emortal board?

A. That has a maximum eye on rate of fire of 22.0bps, or can be uncapped. The maximum eye off rate of fire is 15.0bps. The minimum rate of fire is 4.0bps.

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Old 11-18-2009, 10:54 PM #2
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:42 PM #3
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You're also leaving out that the ETek3 has the same manifold mounting system found in the Ego10, making the air pathways much, much shorter eliminating the need/use for a QEV block. It also contains a form of integrated plank kit. Rather than drop-in parts, the same ideas with regards to the flow are integrated into the design.
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Old 11-19-2009, 12:50 AM #4
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The reason I didn't mention it is because the Etek3 *doesn't* have the same manifold set up as the Ego10.

The fact is that the Ego9 and Ego10 don't even *have* a separate manifold. The manifold is built in to the solenoid's casing. Obviously the solenoid's spool is also inside the casing. The solenoid spool is placed directly below the ports that lead to the rammer. The spool is also directly above the ports that vent the spent air out of the solenoid casing. The air takes the shortest possible path in to the marker and out of the solenoid.

This means that not only do you eliminate two lengths of hose, but you have the shortest possible air path to the rammer, plus you vent the spent air with the minimum possible resistance.

The Etek3 isn't quite like that.

Yes, the manifold connects the solenoid to the rammer housing without any hoses, but because you have a separate solenoid bolted on to the manifold, the solenoids mechanism isn't directly below the rammer housing, and so the solenoid does not feed air straight in to the rammer housing, and does not vent air straight out. Air from the solenoid enters the manifold, passes along the air paths in the manifold, and then enters the rammer housing. The arrangement is simplified, and the air paths shortened - true enough - but you don't have the almost "zero distance" air path that the Ego9/Ego10 custom solenoid allows.

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Old 11-19-2009, 10:36 AM #5
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:44 AM #6
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The marker was officially unveiled today, so I would presume that they will start shipping out to stockists soon, if they haven't already. Given time, I would expect that all the major online paintball shops will have them, as well as all the normal Eclipse dealers.
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Old 11-19-2009, 11:03 AM #7
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Nice post Uziel, great info as always!
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Old 11-19-2009, 05:46 PM #10
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You're also leaving out that the ETek3 has the same manifold mounting system found in the Ego10, making the air pathways much, much shorter eliminating the need/use for a QEV block. It also contains a form of integrated plank kit. Rather than drop-in parts, the same ideas with regards to the flow are integrated into the design.
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The reason I didn't mention it is because the Etek3 *doesn't* have the same manifold set up as the Ego10.

The fact is that the Ego9 and Ego10 don't even *have* a separate manifold. The manifold is built in to the solenoid's casing. Obviously the solenoid's spool is also inside the casing. The solenoid spool is placed directly below the ports that lead to the rammer.

This means that not only do you eliminate two lengths of hose, but you have the shortest possible air path to the rammer, plus you vent the spent with the minimum possible resistance.

The Etek3 isn't quite like that.

Yes, the manifold connects the solenoid to the rammer housing without any hoses, but because you have a separate solenoid bolted on to the manifold, the solenoids mechanism isn't directly below the rammer housing, and so the solenoid does not feed air straight in to the rammer housing, and does not vent air straight out. Air from the solenoid enters the manifold, passes along the air paths in the manifold, and then enters the rammer housing. The arrangement is simplified, and the air paths shortened - true enough - but you don't have the almost "zero distance" air path that the Ego9/Ego10 custom solenoid allows.
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Old 11-20-2009, 04:56 PM #11
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i wonder if they will make a ccu kit for this. I want to get the white one and vampire it out but dont want to pay for annoing everything (ya im cheap)

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Old 11-21-2009, 08:51 AM #12
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I have no info on that unfortunately, but if the Ego9, Geo and Ego10 are anything to go by, then I would guess not.

With the above markers, Planet made it clear that triggers and reg collars would not be included with the parts kits. That is actually nothing new - the '05 Ego CCU kit included a trigger, but no reg collar. The '06 Ego CCU kits no longer included the trigger. The Ego7/8 CCU kits didn't come with a trigger or reg collar either.

However, for some reason people took exception to this this year, and stated that they wouldn't want the CCU kits unless triggers and collars were included. As they weren't going to be, Planet shelved the release of the CCU kits.

Another thing to consider is that in order to bring down the unit price of each CCU kit, they have to be made in large numbers, and to bring down the price specifically on annodising, you need a certain number to be made in each colour, so if you are looking at making a wide variety of colours, you are looking at making a LOT of CCU kits, and that just isn't commercially viable if your customers have said up front that they aren't going to buy them.

OK, we are now talking about a different marker with a slightly different target audience than for the Ego9, Ego10 and Geo, but once bitten twice shy, and I think Planet are likely to follow the same stance with the Etek3 CCU kits.
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There are 2 etek3s coming out correct? The am (all metal) and the lt (composite grip frame). Now my real question is does the am come with the star frame with the LCD screen?
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There are two versions of the Etek3 - the AM (all metal) and the LT (which features a synthetic frame and some other parts).

Both the metal and the synthetic frame come stock with the LED board.

The Emortal board is an upgrade board, equipped with an LCD. It is compatible with the AM's stock metal frame, but not compatible with the LT's synthetic frame.

There is no STAR frame for the Etek3 - the Emortal board in the AM frame is now the closest equivalent.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:56 PM #15
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Question etek3 or ego 09

which one should i get because the etek 3 is like the sl9r and the ego ten and the ego 09 is like u know so which one do i get
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:22 AM #16
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There is an SL8R and an SL94, but no SL9R.

Have a read of the first post in this thread, and you'll see that I have already compared the Etek3 to the Ego9.

However, to cover it again, comparing stock to stock, the Etek3 is missing the Ego9's LCD equipped board and Cure2 bolt, has a plainer milled barrel (the only real difference is that the Ego9's barrel is easier to get a grip on to unscrew), no roller bearing trigger, has a rammer housing with integrated valve, and doesn't have the Ego9's faster solenoid with direct feed and venting from the rammer.

The only thing that the Etek3 has that the Ego9 doesn't is the vent for the LPR body. Other than that, the Ego9 holds pretty much all the aces.

If you can afford both markers, the Ego9 is the better marker, no question. As long as you have the Plank Kit in it, it should serve you well. The question then becomes whether the differences are worth the extra money, but that is something you need to decide for yourself.

With all these Etek to Ego comparisons, you have to remember that Planet are pitching the Etek below the Ego, so in terms of pure features and performance, the Ego is generally going to come out ahead. If the Etek were better than the Ego, Planet wouldn't be able to sell the more expensive Ego. It's only the oldest Egos that are beginning to lose out to the newest Etek, and even then, only in certain respects - even the oldest Egos still have some advantages over the stock Etek3.
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so which do you think is better the lt or am? because I know you cant get the emortal lcd with the am but not lt. But the lt has the synthetic. I also noticed the am is a bit cheaper just because it is all aluminum. Just a little confused and want to hear some opinions.

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LT is the composite and the AM is the all metal btw. The AM can have the LCD and the LT cannot unless you purchase the AM kit for it. Other than that they are 100% the same. Im getting the LT as it is $125 cheaper and Im not too worried about the composite frame so it is all personal preference.
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oh thanks that totally decided it for me. I wasn't aware of the AM kit for the LCD.
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Old 11-25-2009, 10:37 PM #21
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I'm new to planet eclpise and am upgrading from a Promaster, which is a good gun, my field owner suggested this gun because quote on quote "Balls just fly better out of a PE"

however im not one to take everyones word to a tee

one thing I am trying to understand is that because of the lack of QEV would it be slower or does the direct mount manifold basically do the job of the QEV
my Promaster has a PE QEV and it helped alot with the cycle rate of the rammer.

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