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Old 10-25-2009, 10:31 AM #1
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The "Test"

Alright, sorry for the delay in getting around to this. I was waiting on my Techt engine to get in and then put it through a few paces to see how it performs. For the next couple hours, I'll be running various tests on the following parts and combinations.

Stock bolt
Techt bolt
Techt Engine

Stock reg w/ Dow 55
Stock reg w/ Lurker
CP shorty reg w/ Lurker
Dye Hyper2 w/ Lurker


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Ninja 68/45 set at high pressure (Let me see if I have a high enough output gauge to see what exactly it's putting out)

Weather ~60* and dry


I'll be putting in the stock bolt first, chronoing to ~290-300. Fire 20 shots over the chrono. Swap to the Techt bolt. Chrono. Another 20 shots. Swap engine. Chrono. 20 shots. Change reg, repeat process.

Once all of those are done, I MAY up the dwell to 15ms and see what the numbers are. If I have time, I'll lower the dwell to 10ms (recommended for the engine) and see how it performs and see if the other bolts will even function.

Also, once everything is done, I'll put the stock bolt in, hook up my giant Ashcroft gauge and record what the pressure has to be at for 300fps. Then take the readings for the Techt bolt and engine.



I'll be taking videos of everything but may not post every single on up to YouTube. We'll see though. Hopefully I'll be able to post my results by this evening.

*Results*

Stock reg w/ Dow 55
Stock bolt
Techt bolt
Techt Engine
309.2
293.1
297.7
301.2
295.4
294.6
286.4
296.7
282.8
283.3
294.6
293.6
290.6
289.3
290.8
290.4
296.9
291.2
289.0
282.0
278.7
292.5
283.2
291.0
293.4
291.6
290.7
288.4
287.9
294.5
291.8
293.0
265.4
277.9
289.6
289.8
287.4
302.4
273.5
286.4
286.8
286.2
284.9
291.2
282.5
275.7
290.2
270.5
285.3
253.7
293.9
259.2
302.4
283.5
281.3
289.2
283.7
283.9
287.9
275.3

Okay. HTML raped my OpenOffice format so I had to go through and set each number to align right/left/center. That's a PITA. So, I'll be posting the other results once I figure out a better way to post it.

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Old 10-25-2009, 10:47 AM #2
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wana ship me that engraved reg on the left? that'd look nasty sick on my revi.. lemme know.
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Old 10-25-2009, 10:51 AM #3
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wana ship me that engraved reg on the left? that'd look nasty sick on my revi.. lemme know.
Sorry, if it goes, it's going with the matching engraved purple DM7 I have.
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Old 10-25-2009, 11:15 AM #4
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Thanks and I am very excited to see your results! I think it's fantastic for you to do such a test! Anticipation is Kill'n me!
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Yeah, this is the test I've been waiting for someone to do. Way to go tr3b0r!
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Old 10-25-2009, 01:01 PM #6
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Tests are done with one snag... the 90* on the second stock reg was leaking so I have to replace that and redo the tests for it.

Other than that, I'm going through all of my videos now and coping down all the information to come up with high/low and averages.

Unfortunately I have some other stuff to do today so all tests were done at a 12ms dwell. If I get a chance, i'll get some more paint and air tomorrow and crank out the 10ms and 15ms tests.

Oh and the pressure tests were... stock bolt was 200psi for 290fps. Techt bolt was ~190psi for 290fps. Techt Engine was ~160psi for 290-300fps.
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Old 10-25-2009, 06:13 PM #7
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very interested in this test. can't wait to see vids :p just curious tho, what board are you using? stock, replacement, ape, or virtue?
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:32 AM #10
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Alright. All of the first information is copied down. Now I'm just trying to figure out a way to present the information without having you guys scroll through pages of numbers like my F8 testing.

And for those wondering. This test was done with the APE upgrade board. I also have a 7th Element board that I could use. But I doubt it will make any difference.

Once I get air and possibly some more paint, I'll actually see if there is any FPS variance between using Lurker lube on the bolts and Slick Honey. My afternoon is busy so I doubt I'll be able to get to the second phase until tomorrow when I'm completely off work.
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:53 AM #12
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Old 10-26-2009, 10:35 AM #14
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tr3b0r, quick question. Did you adjust the reg to chrono at 285-290 for each bolt or did you adjust for 285-290 for only the stock bolt, then kept the reg settings the same for the other bolts? When I had the TechT engine I had to lower the regs pressure because the difference between the stock bolt and the techT engine's velocity was about 30 fps. Just curious.

From what I can read, if you take out the lowest and highest velocities of each bolt, it looks like the regular techt bolt is the most consistent. Also, what kind of paint are you using? What barrel? Temperature outside?
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Old 10-26-2009, 12:41 PM #15
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Yea something isnt added up since the TechT engine will give a 20-30 fps increase at pretty much any given OP vs the stock bolt. Also, it will need at least 3-5 cases before you see any decent consistency with it. Dwell also plays a major role for all bolt setups
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Here is more data from the points provided:

Stock:
286.91 - avg FPS
50 - spread in FPS

287.2111111 - avg FPS (hi/low FPS removed)
25.5 - avg spread (hi/low removed)

L7
289.855
48.7

291.1666667
20.4

Engine:
285.495
32.3

285.9333333
24.1
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i think this was more of a consistency test by the looks of it, if the Techt bolts actually do increase fps you should, chrono with the stock to 285 or w.e you want to chrono to, then just do a straight swap out with the techt, then the engine... that would be an fps/consistency test, which most people are getting confused with
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:50 PM #18
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Real quick.

The regulator (every single one) was NOT adjusted between the stock bolt and Techt bolt. The engine jumped up about 50-60fps and needed to be brought down on every reg.
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Old 10-26-2009, 04:00 PM #19
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I apologize for the brief posts and confusion. I'm literally on and off the computer in a matter of minutes.

The tests were to show the following:

- The variance of velocity for the different bolts at a given pressure

- The variance of consistency between different bolts at, roughly, the same velocity

- The consistency of different regs on the G3

The videos I took were done like this:

- Install "X" reg, install stock bolt
- Chrono to 280-290
- 20 shots over the chrono
- Swap for Techt bolt
- Chrono to see what it was shooting at the stock bolt pressure
- Chrono to 280-290 (Most of the time it was within 5-10fps of the stock bolt upon switching)
- 20 shots over the chrono
- Swap for the Techt engine
- See what it's shooting at with the stock/Techt bolt pressure
- Chrono down to ~290fps
- 20 shots over the chrono
- Get the next reg and start again

*edit* I was hoping to edit the first video prior to posting. There's some delay with switching out bolts and me yammering on in the middle of it. Either way, it's uploading now so you can see how exactly I tested.

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Wow 50-60 fps difference between stock bolt and techT engine?

I'm seriously thinking there's a huge difference between each tester's chrono's. With my radarchron ROF chrono, I saw a 25-30 fps difference which is consistent with others experiences.

Hmmmmm...although TechT is using the same chrono as you tr3b0r...in their video, did they see a 50-60 fps difference in velocity?

In any case, great job so far on your test. Glad to see my old TechT engine is getting put to good use
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Old 10-26-2009, 04:14 PM #21
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Trying to sneak some more time on here to respond to some questions...

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Once I get a second tonight, I'll probably just make a JPEG of all the info.

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tr3b0r, quick question. Did you adjust the reg to chrono at 285-290 for each bolt or did you adjust for 285-290 for only the stock bolt, then kept the reg settings the same for the other bolts? When I had the TechT engine I had to lower the regs pressure because the difference between the stock bolt and the techT engine's velocity was about 30 fps. Just curious.

From what I can read, if you take out the lowest and highest velocities of each bolt, it looks like the regular techt bolt is the most consistent. Also, what kind of paint are you using? What barrel? Temperature outside?
You've already read my response regarding adjusting the pressures But I've updated the main post with all of the test control information.

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Yea something isnt added up since the TechT engine will give a 20-30 fps increase at pretty much any given OP vs the stock bolt. Also, it will need at least 3-5 cases before you see any decent consistency with it. Dwell also plays a major role for all bolt setups
The engine was well broken in. I ripped through a lot of the Ramp I had sitting around which is why this test had to be done with Wrek.

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i think this was more of a consistency test by the looks of it, if the Techt bolts actually do increase fps you should, chrono with the stock to 285 or w.e you want to chrono to, then just do a straight swap out with the techt, then the engine... that would be an fps/consistency test, which most people are getting confused with
Once again, I apologize for the confusion. I was testing a LOT of different things within the videos. Once you see the vid, you'll understand my process.

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Wow 50-60 fps difference between stock bolt and techT engine?

I'm seriously thinking there's a huge difference between each tester's chrono's. With my radarchron ROF chrono, I saw a 25-30 fps difference which is consistent with others experiences.

Hmmmmm...although TechT is using the same chrono as you tr3b0r...in their video, did they see a 50-60 fps difference in velocity?

In any case, great job so far on your test. Glad to see my old TechT engine is getting put to good use
For instance, with the first reg, the stock and Techt bolts were chronoing around 280-290. The Techt engine jumped up to 343.0, 337.5, 341.1 with the same pressure.

The camera has a constant shot on the chrono so I know naysayers will be like "how do we know you're not cranking the velocity up?!" I could care less if you believe me. I have no stock in DP or Techt. I'll give an honest opinion even if it means I wasted my money. If you don't believe me, do your own tests
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