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Old 10-22-2009, 02:25 PM #1
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z.bart's pump kit review

Let me start off by saying that I do not personally know z.bart, so this is my honest opinion of the product. I posted in his thread saying that I wanted to test his pump kit, and he decided to would make a good tester.
This is his undercocking kit for phantoms that is currently in the testing phase, so it may not be exactly what the finished product will be like.

The box i recieved came with:
Pump
Mounting block
Spring
and a screw.

The first thing i noticed was the spring was awful for this pump kit. The way he designed it was for the spring to go inside the handle, but the width of the spring was too big which caused internal rubbing making the kit not smooth. I was fortunate and had an extra spring that fit over the guide rod which helped out tremendously.
Luckily for z.bart, that is the only real flaw i could find with this kit (i wouldnt even really call it a flaw because its a $1 fix...).

Everything else about this kit i loved.
The shape and construction of the kit is great. I took off the stock pump kit and compared them side to side. Both of their heights are about the same, but z.bart's kit is slightly wider which makes it feel great (especially for people with bigger hands). The little indents on the side remind my of the PMP pump kits for autocockers. This little indent provides great grip and really helps the handle conform to your hand.
The material that it is made out of is some composite. It is nice and light, but also feels very durable. The only downside i see with the material right now is that it leaves machine marks, but maybe a light sanding with fine grit paper will do the trick. This is probably going to be something that z.bart takes care of in the production models.
The guide rod is pretty standard. It bolts onto the body right where the front screw would go. It was somewhat tricky to get it on when trying to assemble the gun, but i found that using electrical tape to hold it in place make installation a breeze.
The most important part, and probably most impressive, is the stroke. After installing this pump kit my stroke went from being a typical phantom stroke to an almost sniper stroke (lets call it a heavily sprung sniper stroke). It is extremely smooth, yet has a nice snappy action to it. The only problem with the stroke is that it can twist since there is no guide rod. But as long as you can pump a sniper without a guide rod, you can pump this easily. This is actually easier than pumping a sniper without a secondary guide rod. Usually if you twist a handle as hard as you can and then try to pump it is very difficult, but with this you cant tell a difference. So in that sense it has a leg up on a snipers pump stroke.
That is pretty much my review for this kit. Aside from the little spring issue there is little that i would change. The only thing that i might think of adding would be a secondary guide rod, but in reality it doesnt even need one. I look forward to seeing the finished product!

As a little disclaimer, i have not had a chance to try many other undercocking kit for the phantom. I have tried the wevo kit, which seems to be one of the more common ones, and this one feels much better than wevo's kit.

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SUMMARY

Pros:
Light
Smooth
Snappy
Feels great in hand

Cons:
Needs a different spring


I will post up what i think when i have had more time to use this and if anything changes.
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:35 PM #2
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a picture would be purdy shnazzy
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lol, theres more to reviews than just pictures guys

haha, otherwise good review!
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uploading pics as we speak. If you really want to see some he posted a thread with pics in it already.
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Old 10-22-2009, 04:05 PM #6
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i think it would be a little more comfy if it was round at the front
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Thanks for an honest review, thats the only way i can make things better.
I will work on the spring issue, i wanted it hid in the handle to keep it clean looking. As for the front, there will be much more of a radius for comfort and it will be much cleaner(no tooling marks).
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Its kind of weird though, because when i usually hold my pump i wrap my index and middle finger around the front of the pump, but with this one i dont do that. The grooves naturally attract your fingers. Its hard to explain. But you are right, when i wrap my fingers around the front it isnt as comfortable as the other way.
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i think haveing a variaty of handles would be nice, that way you can choose what stle fits you the best
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I have to ask. Why is this needed
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I have to ask. Why is this needed
Why is what needed , the review,the pump kit, the discussion ? Can't read your mind bro .
Very nice review , one question , does it twist a lot to be annoying or just enough to be noticable ?
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Looks nice. Let us know when you start making the finished products. I want to see some pics. Is the mounting block portion aluminum? Is it raw, if so, would you ever consider anodizing it or powder coating it?


Fluid, how come in every thread you post in it is something negative? It is starting to annoy me.
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i think having a variety of handles would be nice, that way you can choose what style fits you the best
Yes, i am aiming at offering a variety of handles and i am only doing
5-10 at a time so if someone wants something other than the standard model i can throw it in the mix, i just hope that if the demand is enough i can keep up.

Also, i want people to be able to customize it to their taste, there are allot of things i can and cannot do just depends on what the person wants.


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Looks nice. Let us know when you start making the finished products. I want to see some pics. Is the mounting block portion aluminum? Is it raw, if so, would you ever consider anodizing it or powder coating it?


Fluid, how come in every thread you post in it is something negative? It is starting to annoy me.
Yes, the mounting block is aluminum on the prototypes but i am switching to a High Density plastic for production, i don't want peoples frames to get marred in any way.
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I have to ask. Why is this needed
If your asking about my review, it is because part of the deal with me getting a prototype was that i had write a review and post it up online. Its what he asked, so i gladly did it.

Back to the pump handle.
After playing around with it a bit more i think that if it were an inch longer and rounded at the end it would be perfect. The shortness doesnt bother me too much, but i feel if it were longer it would be much better.
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I have to ask. Why is this needed
I have tried to blow this off but it just bugs me, its not NEEDED but it is wanted!

You come into this thread trolling and make some remark out of the blue that no no bearing on the subject at hand. As per the review, its because i asked him too. As per the UC Kit, if you weren't trolling and had actually followed this whole venture you wouldn't need to ask.

But to recap things for you i hurt my back and am unable to work a regular job, therefore i chose to put the tools my grandfather left me when he passed away to use to help put food on the table and pay the bills. Also, i wanted to offer people a product that is often wanted but to expensive to afford in todays economy, with the ability for them to customize it to their liking.
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Well said bart ! Like I said before , I hope this project gets off to a good start .
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You come into this thread trolling and make some remark out of the blue that no no bearing on the subject at hand. As per the review, its because i asked him too. As per the UC Kit, if you weren't trolling and had actually followed this whole venture you wouldn't need to ask.
You got to pay the troll toll to get into the boys hole...i mean, boy soul.
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HAHAHAHA!!! Day man!

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I have to ask. Why is this needed
I'm sorry but I have to chime in on this as well - what's wrong with this guy? I too am growing a bit tired of his constant randomly placed posts, detracting from the natural positive flow of a thread. All I wanted was some nice reading and instead I get knocked off topic with this incredibly vague and painfully condescending remark. Fluid1 - just chill.

As for the thread itself - I appreciate the review.
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I guess its time to let the cat out of the bag. For just the base model X-Grip kit I'm looking at asking $36 and for skull handles $46, both shipped Priority Mail with delivery conformation.
Anything not standard will be more and I'm looking to be able to offer a wide range of handles as well.

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