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Old 10-27-2009, 01:30 PM #1282
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He's better than his stats indicate. He's a very good player. But elite? Not with those numbers, and not with his weaknesses.

I'd rather have a player who can run crisp routes, make tough catches in traffic, win jump balls, and not drop balls.

Put him in Notre Dame's offense and yeah, he'd be productive, but he still wouldn't be able to do the things Tate and Floyd do.
Then why do NFL scouts hold Julio Jones in higher regard than either Floyd or Tate? Despite the fact that they are more productive?

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Top 10 semifinalists for the 2009 Biletnikoff Award

Freddie Barnes, BGSU
Dezmon Briscoe, Kansas
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Eric Decker, Minnesota
Marshawn Gilyard, Cincinnati
A.J. Green, Georgia
Jordan Shipley, Texas
Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech
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Old 10-27-2009, 01:34 PM #1285
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Then why do NFL scouts hold Julio Jones in higher regard than either Floyd or Tate? Despite the fact that they are more productive?
I don't give a **** about draft hype that takes place 2 years in advance, especially coming from Mel Kiper and a bunch of other mooks.

Wait until real NFL GM's and scouts start scrutinizing and picking apart these guys, and we'll see what happens. Mike Mayock is the only draft analyst I trust. Mel Kiper is a hack, and what NFL scouts say isn't particularly well informed until they really start watching film on these guys, which they haven't done yet.
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Final point:

Remember this stat:

Alabama has 131 completions this season.
Julio Jones has 20 of them

With that in mind, look at this one:

Alabama Passing Offense Ranking: 84

So, despite UA's large number of completions, the passing offense still has a poor rating.

Now, bearing in mind all the laurels Jones received in the offseason, don't you think there is likely a correlation between Alabama's passing woes and Julio Jones not being a significant factor?

Hmmm ....
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2009 O'Brien Semifinalists

Daryll Clark, Sr., Penn State
Matt Barkley, Fr., USC
Jimmy Clausen, Jr., Notre Dame
Jacory Harris, Soph., Miami
Case Keenum, Jr., Houston
Dan LeFevour, Sr., Central Michigan
Jake Locker, Jr., Washington
Colt McCoy, Sr., Texas
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Tony Pike, Sr., Cincinnati
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Vincent Brown, San Diego State
Eric Decker, Minnesota
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AT&T All-America Player of the Year:

Graham Harrell.

Isn't he playing the CFL?

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I don't give a **** about draft hype that takes place 2 years in advance, especially coming from Mel Kiper and a bunch of other mooks.

Wait until real NFL GM's and scouts start scrutinizing and picking apart these guys, and we'll see what happens. Mike Mayock is the only draft analyst I trust. Mel Kiper is a hack, and what NFL scouts say isn't particularly well informed until they really start watching film on these guys, which they haven't done yet.
Uh huh ....

In Darius Heyward-Bey's final season at Maryland he had about 40 catches for 600 yards. Not exactly stellar.

And - regardless of whether or not it was a smart decision - he was the first wide receiver taken.

The point is, measurables and Combine performance are vastly more important than college numbers. That's indisputable. Julio fits the bill.

You can be a stat machine like Graham Harrell or Colt Brennan and still not be a good NFL prospect.
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AT&T All-America Player of the Year:

Graham Harrell.

Isn't he playing the CFL?
So now we're back to judging players off of what they do AFTER college?

I thought you said last night that doesn't matter?
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stop it.

Alabama has the greatest player at every position, in the country
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You can also be a workout warrior and not be a good NFL prospect.
... So, you're saying Julio Jones is not a good NFL prospect, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

He'll go higher than either Tate or Floyd. You don't pass on a guy with that kind of athleticism.

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So now we're back to judging players off of what they do AFTER college?

I thought you said last night that doesn't matter?
Is that really what I said?

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I care about what Alabama players do in the NFL, as that is a major lift to recruiting and the perception of the program. If an Alabama player goes in the first round, it reflects highly on the coaching staff and the state of the program, as well as how UA develops talent. But I would happily trade a Julio Jones or a Mark Ingram - both guys who will be stars at the next level - for one Tim Tebow. College and the NFL are different beasts.
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so you agree that julio is an average college football receiver
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... So, you're saying Julio Jones is not a good NFL prospect, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

Is that really what I said?
You called him an elite college WR. Now that people know who he is, he's shown he's not.
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Now, I'll readily admit that Julio Jones isn't an elite college receiver - he can't really help it - and if he wanted to be, he could have just gone to Oklahoma and put up a bazillion yards with Sam Bradford and we wouldn't be having his conversation. But to say that he's not any good or not an elite NFL prospect is a whole 'nother matter. He is the elite NFL WR prospect in college football.
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I think he's an elite WR.
And you're more of an NFL guy. Which would explain it.

Julio Jones has the best NFL skill set in terms of technique, build, athleticism, blocking, etc., in all of college football, but he's never going to have the numbers of other top notch guys. I've said that ever since he got here. He plays in a pro style, run-oriented, physical offense. He's not going to have the numbers.

Terrell Owens wasn't an elite college receiver, either. For that matter, neither was last year's top Draft WR Heyward-Bey. You can only do your job and hope people throw to you, that's it.

It doesn't change the fact that a 6'4 220 lb wide receiver that can run a 4.4 and leap between 42 - 44 inches is going to be highly, highly sought after by NFL franchises.

He's really, really good. He just can't do it by himself.

Tebow is a much better college QB than Matt Ryan ever was, but that doesn't make him a better prospect or a better player.
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Tebow is a much better college QB than Matt Ryan ever was, but that doesn't make him a better prospect or a better player.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I can't stop laughing.

Tebow might be a better athlete, but he was NEVER a better quarterback.
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Elite WR talent and phsyical specimen? Definitely.

Elite College WR? **** no at this point in his career.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I can't stop laughing.

Tebow might be a better athlete, but he was NEVER a better quarterback.
He is definitely inferior to ryan in terms of pure qb skill.

But who in their right mind would pick matt ryan over Tim Tebow to lead their COLLEGE team. Is there anyone in the college game you'd rather have at qb over Tebow in the last 5 years?
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