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Old 10-19-2009, 08:02 PM #22
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Cool.
My point exactly.
Please copy/paste that to all the major manufacturers.
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:25 AM #23
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Tactical advantages of the 50 cal...

At 450 FPS the paint still is well below 10 ft. pounds of force. If anybody knows their PB history , 10lbs of force was determined to be the limit of paint being "safe." This came from a group of people (including a doctor) that had to fight to keep pb legal in New Jersey. Not much more force is need over 10lbs is when fingers can break. (Most likely on a younger person , say 12 and under.)
Now at 450 fps and about half the size , who is going to be able to see and dodge that from lets say 50 ft. ? How fast is that about 350 -370 MPH? Sounds like Billy would have a pack about the size of 4 or 5 redbulls.
So your back players are still using the 68 cal. stuff for a while, until somebody starts to make a heavier 50 cal round. Now you could have a back guy carry twice as much paint, shoot just as far at a faster speed , and not have to reload as often during a game.
Jeff, aren't staying small, staying on your guy, and snap shooting some of the common things players try to practice ?
It seems to me, the first team(s) to use the 50s could have a large advantage.
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:51 AM #24
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I dont think Ive seen anywhere that they are looking to make the FPS 450.

Id be curious to see NeCanes adjust his graphs to show a 50cal at 450. At 300fps your dropping abour 30' shy of a 68cal shot. I would think increasing the FPS by 50% would get you that 30' and probably more. Id also like to see where the Engergy ends up at 450.

Pods probably wont get smaller because it looks like loaders are staying the same size. Youll just carry less of them. A loader size is what it is because generaly your head is right behind your loader. So if it misses your loader because its smaller your big head is gonna get blasted anyways lol.

I really dont think youll see players shooting differnt speeds based on paint size. How fast do thoes 43cal spyder pistols shoot?
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:59 PM #25
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I dont think Ive seen anywhere that they are looking to make the FPS 450.
Id be curious to see NeCanes adjust his graphs to show a 50cal at 450. At 300fps your dropping abour 30' shy of a 68cal shot. I would think increasing the FPS by 50% would get you that 30' and probably more. Id also like to see where the Engergy ends up at 450.
there are alread graphs out there with the .50cal going at 450 fps and it has pretty much the same numbers as a .68cal going 300fps.
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Old 10-30-2009, 02:46 PM #26
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Interesting .50 cal read ....

http://face-full.com/det_news.php?n=90
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Old 11-01-2009, 02:10 AM #27
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I haven't tried .50 Cal paint, but it looks pretty inaccurate. However, I shouldn't just judge yet, so I'll see what the buzz is all about.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:05 PM #28
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jstein you are a buisness genius but honestly comming from tourney play i would stick to 68 cal but also i never given 50cal a shot yet so i cannot say
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:02 AM #29
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I haven't tried .50 Cal paint, but it looks pretty inaccurate. However, I shouldn't just judge yet, so I'll see what the buzz is all about.
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jstein you are a buisness genius but honestly comming from tourney play i would stick to 68 cal but also i never given 50cal a shot yet so i cannot say
This right here is the problem with emerging technology in Paintball. I'm not singling you two out, well actually I kind of am, but we have 8 million paintball players who have formulated opinions already WITHOUT even having fired it.

Honestly, why even post? That's like this conversation taking place:

TBO: "Hey JJ, did you try that new restaurant down the street?"
JJ: "No, but it sucks."
TBO: "Why?"
JJ: "Because I always eat at TGI Fridays. Anything else must suck!"
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:14 PM #30
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This right here is the problem with emerging technology in Paintball. I'm not singling you two out, well actually I kind of am, but we have 8 million paintball players who have formulated opinions already WITHOUT even having fired it.

Honestly, why even post? That's like this conversation taking place:

TBO: "Hey JJ, did you try that new restaurant down the street?"
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who keeps pissing in your cheerios? Your awful bitter lately
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:17 PM #31
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who keeps pissing in your cheerios? Your awful bitter lately
Come on, you know that everyone coming in here and saying "I think it sucks, but I haven't tried it, so I don't know" is dumb
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:19 PM #32
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The fun part is that there probably won't be any .50 cal products for sale for a while, so we get to endure speculation for a few more months.
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:21 PM #33
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The fun part is that there probably won't be any .50 cal products for sale for a while, so we get to endure speculation for a few more months.
Good, because 50 cal sucks.

Nah, I didn't try it.
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:30 PM #34
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Come on, you know that everyone coming in here and saying "I think it sucks, but I haven't tried it, so I don't know" is dumb
yeah but there have been a bunch of drop test and accuracy test both with videos. There is also simply physics. I think there is enough research out there for people to do some homework and not just buy in to the hype or the marketing.

Would you shoot a paintball ball that wasnt as accurate and doesnt travel as far and doesnt break as often but the only thing they can say against the real results and not the ones they tried to market to everyone is well this isnt our final forumla?
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this isnt our final forumla?
Which will make them look like fools if they ever do state that.

"Really, you guys designed and built a wide range of products, then started the marketing machine going without having a final product that you had proven would work just as well as the existing standard? Smart."
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