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Old 11-05-2009, 10:52 AM #85
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Not sure if this has already been mentioned but what if you just modified how the NPPL used to do it and at the end of the season take say top 5 (or some variation of that) from L2 and have them bump up to L1. Then take the bottom 2 (or some variation of that) of L1 and have them bump down to L2.
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:59 AM #86
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thats not a bad idea. but i wouldn't say top 5 maybe top 3
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:05 PM #87
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i was just throwing out a number for an example i'd say the best way to figure it is take a percentage of the team standings in the division possibly
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You could do that or take all the teams that scored a certain number of series point or higher, that is if they played all the events and if they even win one event they should have to bump no matter what. Just suggestion
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Old 11-08-2009, 12:35 AM #89
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just run it like psp. X amount of series/seed points requires you to bump up.
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Old 11-08-2009, 05:22 PM #90
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Exactly what I was thinking and attempting to say.
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Old 11-19-2009, 08:02 AM #91
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I figured I would help George out by listing all the recommendations you players have posted up to this date:

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1. something to get more L1 players and teams involved
2. Just use the PSP rule book
3. use the same standards every event
4. possibly taking another look at the L2 qualifications
5. remove the winning two tournaments as a L1 qualification
6. maybe have a 3man open
7. 1st place series winner get a free trip to cup or something like that
8. talk to the psp and become a psp feeder series like the chitown series, vicious series, cfoa, etc
9. for prizes only do top four for all divisions that way u can save huge money for top three series point prizes
10. make the events more spread out and only have 4
11. do it at fields that might actually have a legit layout
12. making L3 5-man and having L4 as the only 3-man option
13. MPS to buy a field and just set it up at the different venues - maybe the series could rent someones PSP field for the events
14. L1/L2 changes to an open 5man division. L3 changes to L3 5man. L4 is the only 3man but take away the battery limit.
15. make the layouts be the current psp layout.
16. They should have to be a gridded field also
17. How about offering a discount for payment in full for all 5 events in advance of Event #1 Deadline
18. how bout you talk with might paintball or airups or one of the smaller bunker companies to give you a field
19. instead of giving so much out for 1st place. just give mini's and gearbags. Save $$ on prophecies and buy new field
20. MPS used the "rules are subject to change at anyone moment" clause WAYYYY TOO MUCH
21. keep to the psp format and more teams will come
22. The MPS should also avoid events on holiday weekends
23. I think level 4 should just be absorbed into level 3, and just have one division for both
24. Level 2 needs to be modified to allow the level 1 teams to play
25. i think the MPS should keep it simple, 3 man - Beginner (same rules and qualifications as level 3) 5man - open (allowed to all players)
26. Me and my team would like to see 3 events just like the PSP ruling. It would put more time between the events, and what field has the most turn out will hold the finals at there field. I mean u still have 4 events
27. what i want from a tournament is good prizes, fair reffing, a set rulebook, no sandbaggers, round robin then finals, more teams to play against
28. i think if you put the tournaments 2 or 3 weeks before every psp event and played on the layout for the following psp event, you would see ALOT more teams playing l2 and open
29. one reffing crew that refs every event.
30. It would make L1 bigger and make L2 a true entry level 5 man
31. modified how the NPPL used to do it and at the end of the season take say top 5 (or some variation of that) from L2 and have them bump up to L1. Then take the bottom 2 (or some variation of that) of L1 and have them bump down to L2
32. run it like psp. X amount of series/seed points requires you to bump up.
Some of these suggestions are good… and some are not so good. Since I am technically considered a player now, I have the oppourtunity to voice my opinion. George, these are my recommendations only. You do NOT need to implement them if you don’t want. Take them for what they are worth.

1. First and foremost…. Some of the players (not all) need to stop biitching! Just play paintball and have fun!
2. Consider doing away with L1 and opening up L2 to allow two D2 (or higher) players on a L2 roster – instead of just 1.
3. Consider allowing one player on L3 to have D4 experience
4. Keep L4 as it is
5. It isn’t as simple of just using the PSP rule book for the MPS because there are some things the PSP does or have that we cannot implement in the MPS…. Just one example would be the ROF rule. The red chromos just don’t read the decimal like the equipment the PSP has. There are many more examples. The rulebook that the MPS has adopted over the years is a combined version of the PSP and the NPPL and has been modified over the past 5 years to suit the needs of the MPS. It isn’t a bad rulebook and in fact has been adopted by some smaller/local tournaments over the years. Every year when the PSP releases their rules, I have gone through and read every word and have implemented the rules that could benefit the MPS and I think that should be done again this season. However, to just say…. “We are using the PSP rules” IMO can’t happen. Not to mention, does anyone else find the PSP rules to be confusing as hell?
6. I like the format we did at event #5 in the 09 season. I could see more events using that format or a variation of thereof.
7. Every year we try and implement a set reffing crew that would travel to every event… and it just isn’t feasible. Somebody has to pay for it and neither the field nor myself could pay for the expenses involved (paying the players, hotel, food, gas, etc.). So unless a team wants to step up and volunteer for this position with little pay, I don’t see it happening for the 2k10 season either. The same thing for the discount to those teams who pay for all 5 events up front. That discount either comes out of the fields profit, the promoter’s profit or the prize budget… who takes the hit?
8. I do like the idea of George purchasing a XBall field from SupAir (George, they will sell it to you at a discount in exchange for sponsorship). Keep in mind though that it will have a huge impact on prizes (someone already mentioned that).
9. I like the idea of making those that place in the top 3 in two events or more in L3 to bump up the next season and those teams that place in the top 3 in L4 would move up to L3 the next season. You can’t base it on series points because you will have scenarios of a team playing two events (out of 5) and they win those two events giving them 14 points but because they didn’t play the other 3 events, they aren’t in the top 3 for series points.

Well, gotta get to work. Have fun George!
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i would allow you to use my 2010 sup air field if you want
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:56 PM #93
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Buck since when do we have a sup air field?
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:15 PM #94
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1. something to get more L1 players and teams involved
L1 attendance has always been low not sure it is worth messing with. Looking at allowing 2 L1 players per L2 Roster

2. Just use the PSP rule book
MPS rule book works just fine for our series. It is constently being updated to cover any situations that at arise at events.

3. use the same standards every event
What do you mean?

4. possibly taking another look at the L2 qualifications
Doing that

5. remove the winning two tournaments as a L1 qualification
kicking around the idea of not making any teams bump up for next season

6. maybe have a 3man open
Not enough time in a weekend to hold all those divisions.

7. 1st place series winner get a free trip to cup or something like that
Due to the way things work on the series prizes that is not possible

8. talk to the psp and become a psp feeder series like the chitown series, vicious series, cfoa, etc
Not going to happen this season

9. for prizes only do top four for all divisions that way u can save huge money for top three series point prizes
This would make the later date events not as enticing to teams who have few series points

10. make the events more spread out and only have 4
This will depend on what fields want to hold events this season

11. do it at fields that might actually have a legit layout
Wha[b]t fields do you suggest?

12. making L3 5-man and having L4 as the only 3-man option

That would leave out several teams who dont have 5 players

13. MPS to buy a field and just set it up at the different venues - maybe the series could rent someones PSP field for the events

I would have to buy a truck to haul the field and I would have to take off work to get the field there early enough to set up and then would have to stay late Sunday evening to wash and pack up the field and haul it home.

14. L1/L2 changes to an open 5man division. L3 changes to L3 5man. L4 is the only 3man but take away the battery limit.

You would have teams dropping out because they dont have a chance to win against L1 teams. I think you would loose more L2 teams then you would gain L1 teams

15. make the layouts be the current psp layout.

Not all fields will have a 2010 PSP field

16. They should have to be a gridded field also

Gridded field?

17. How about offering a discount for payment in full for all 5 events in advance of Event #1 Deadline

It would cut into prize budget and I doubt many teams would commit to that.

18. how bout you talk with might paintball or airups or one of the smaller bunker companies to give you a field

They just dont give away fields plus transporting it is a big issue.

19. instead of giving so much out for 1st place. just give mini's and gearbags. Save $$ on prophecies and buy new field

Again transporting the field is the problem.

20. MPS used the "rules are subject to change at anyone moment" clause WAYYYY TOO MUCH

Rules will only change if needed and after an event. They will not change during an event.

21. keep to the psp format and more teams will come

I doubt that. How many PSP teams are in the area?

22. The MPS should also avoid events on holiday weekends

I Agree

23. I think level 4 should just be absorbed into level 3, and just have one division for both

Not going to happen.

24. Level 2 needs to be modified to allow the level 1 teams to play

I addressed this above

25. i think the MPS should keep it simple, 3 man - Beginner (same rules and qualifications as level 3) 5man - open (allowed to all players)

Once again you will have team not playing because they dont want to get beat up all day with no chance of winning

26. Me and my team would like to see 3 events just like the PSP ruling. It would put more time between the events, and what field has the most turn out will hold the finals at there field. I mean u still have 4 events

that is a possibility in the future.

27. what i want from a tournament is good prizes, fair reffing, a set rulebook, no sandbaggers, round robin then finals, more teams to play against

Thats what we try to give you.

28. i think if you put the tournaments 2 or 3 weeks before every psp event and played on the layout for the following psp event, you would see ALOT more teams playing l2 and open

How many PSP teams are actually in our area?

29. one reffing crew that refs every event.

Cost to much

30. It would make L1 bigger and make L2 a true entry level 5 man

L2 is not meant to be enty level.

31. modified how the NPPL used to do it and at the end of the season take say top 5 (or some variation of that) from L2 and have them bump up to L1. Then take the bottom 2 (or some variation of that) of L1 and have them bump down to L2

Not enough turnout in L1 to worry about. Might not actually make anyone bump up this season and let L2 have 2 L1 players.

32. run it like psp. X amount of series/seed points requires you to bump up.

That is basically how it is now.



I hope I got all your questions answered. I dont live on the internet like Dan so my posts will be less frequent.
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:23 PM #95
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what they mean by the psp format is how dan did event 5 this past month with having it be best 2 out of 3
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what they mean by the psp format is how dan did event 5 this past month with having it be best 2 out of 3
Would work if you had a low turnout like last event but if you have a good turnout you would run out of time trying to get it done all in one day the PSP does it over 2 days on several fields.
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Old 11-23-2009, 08:19 AM #98
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if we did cash the payout would be a lot less because KEE hooks us up on prizes and we get a lot of it free.
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Old 11-23-2009, 08:40 AM #99
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Would work if you had a low turnout like last event but if you have a good turnout you would run out of time trying to get it done all in one day the PSP does it over 2 days on several fields.
Maybe just have a set rule that if there is under 10 teams it will automatically best 2 out of 3. or something with that same concept.
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Old 11-30-2009, 11:05 AM #100
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The last event was grided out.... to the inch. I am all for allowing 2 L1 players on a L2 roster.. What happens when a persons APPA player status changes does that mean their MPS status changes too.?
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any idea on when the L2 qualifications will be finalized? Need to know if we will be entering 1 team in the division or 2
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:04 PM #103
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The team and I find ourselves caught in the balance of 3 man and 5 man. We have been wanting to play 5 man but are afraid it is to early to make the jump. If there was that "true entry level 5 man", we'd make the jump in a heartbeat. No one around here ever has a legit beginner 5 man, it's always open. I'd imagine a lot of L3 teams might like to see this. We are for sure going to play all the events this year but not sure if it's in the 3 man or the 5 man.

The only way you can get people to commit to the discounted price over all the events is have less events (3 or 4).

But that is just my .02 cents on the matter.
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that is what level 2 is....and beg into 5man. if you dont think so, play d4 in psp then tell me that
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Don't seem offened by it, just a suggestion. It seems like with merging L1 and L2 it gets away from that "introduction" vibe.

"30. It would make L1 bigger and make L2 a true entry level 5 man"
"L2 is not meant to be enty level."


It's just an interesting idea to kick around. The main problem is that you gotta keep the number of divisions down so you can fit them all into the weekend. You'd have to see what the interest is. There was comment of 3 man teams not finding five people. Our team always rolls n+1, meaning what you need plus one more. So last season we rolled with 4 on our roster, hopefully finding one more isn't that big of an issue.
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