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Old 10-14-2009, 05:32 PM #85
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To make .50 work, the obvious solution is to make the field smaller.
That ain't funny, don't put that into peoples heads, they're very susseptable, before we know it we'll be playing in cubicles...
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:33 PM #86
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I have in my personal possession a bag of 504 .50 caliber paintballs procured at World Cup. They weigh, on average, 1.21 grams.

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Old 10-14-2009, 05:37 PM #87
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So then 1.21or 1.22 is a safe weight with a variance of +/- .01.

A bag of 503? So the bagging machine still needs to be tweaked.

Somebody grab a hammer, I'll see if I can find some nails.
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:46 PM #88
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So then 1.21or 1.22 is a safe weight with a variance of +/- .01.

A bag of 503? So the bagging machine still needs to be tweaked.

Somebody grab a hammer, I'll see if I can find some nails.
After I posted I noted one had escaped, so 504. And I think 504 is the actual number of paintballs manufacturers intend to end up in each bag.

That did bring the average down to 1.21 g/paintball.

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Old 10-14-2009, 06:27 PM #89
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Anyone have the ability to weigh ten random ones out individually so we can get an idea to the variance from ball to ball?
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Old 10-14-2009, 06:28 PM #90
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Like someone else posted, I'm glad they're making .50 cal rounds. Now I can pick up a 3357 and actually be able to use it!!
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Old 10-14-2009, 07:16 PM #91
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For you doubters, go pick up a RAP or KT .43 cal gun, weigh the balls, then shoot some around. I think you'll discover Carter's math works just fine, and smaller, lighter balls = teh big suck.

I've shot .43, .50, and .62 of various formulations and various FPS..and it doesn't compete with .68. As one poster (jokingly?) stated, the best way to make "Paintball 2.0" work is tiny *** fields to play with your tiny *** guns on.
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Old 10-14-2009, 07:25 PM #92
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another thing is what does this mean to all the paintballers with 68 cal markers.? are we going to have to buy all new equipment or are they going to make adapter kits for markers and loaders and barrels.I personally will not be buying all new equipment.

I think this will be a bad move for just that reason allown.
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Old 10-14-2009, 07:56 PM #93
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hmm never thought of playing in cubicles it could be fun, Blindfolded maybe? Or would that become ....barrel fighting???
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:14 PM #95
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I find it funny that the guy doing the sales pitch in one of the youtube videos tries to discredit all the talk going on here. It is one in the shooting booth. He says everyone online is trying to say it is not possible to get the performance with the .50 but we have, or something to that effect. So how can they discredit the physics? I had an open mind to start with, but the more I see and hear, the less I think it is any good.
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:14 PM #96
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I shot one of the .50 cal markers at cup. They shot really accurate but the targets were only about 20 feet away so i could feel that if I had to shot at anything farther away the accuracy would greatly decrease. It also felt like I was shooting a toy.
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:57 PM #97
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Did your physics engine compensate for air resistance? If not, then the results are null and void. Keep in mind smaller balls will be more accurate in high winds.
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:01 PM #98
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Did your physics engine compensate for air resistance? If not, then the results are null and void. Keep in mind smaller balls will be more accurate in high winds.
Did you account that less mass is more susceptible to being effected by high winds?
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:02 PM #99
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"Did your physics engine compensate for air resistance? If not, then the results are null and void. Keep in mind smaller balls will be more accurate in high winds."
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:19 PM #100
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Did your physics engine compensate for air resistance? If not, then the results are null and void. Keep in mind smaller balls will be more accurate in high winds.
Are you saying if I put a .50 caliber ball in a tube with a .68 cal ball, attach my leaf blower to the tube, and turn it on the .68 caliber ball will move higher? I'm not a physics graduate, but empirically, that sounds wrong.

An experiment is in order.
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:24 PM #101
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pretty simple inequality, mass times gravity on one side, and force from the blower on the other, which will be determined by the windspeed and the area on the front of the ball. the mass has a lot to do with it, since you're not going to get an 11/16" steel bearing to fly as high as a .50 cal paintball, no matter how you try (unless you turn off the blower, but that's cheating ).
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:28 PM #102
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"Did your physics engine compensate for air resistance? If not, then the results are null and void. Keep in mind smaller balls will be more accurate in high winds."
Yes it did, you can run the numbers yourself but its a ballistic calculator, and they are designed to do that.
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:40 PM #103
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Did your physics engine compensate for air resistance? If not, then the results are null and void. Keep in mind smaller balls will be more accurate in high winds.
The less the weight, the more the wind can and will push it around. Hence why I posted the wind scenario with a 10 MPH wind.

The ballistics calculator does take into account air resistance due to the size of the projectile. It would be pointless to not do so.

If you don't like what you see, get your own calculator and show us where I went wrong. I've never said I'm 100% accurate, I said in my first post, run the numbers yourself... But when you do run the numbers, you'll find everything to be very close if not completely spot on.

It's hard for me to make up stuff when I give you all the tools to check up on everything I'm posting.
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I have been reading all the hype on this and the one thing that keeps me shaking my head is how fast or at what FPS they will be aloud to shoot at. The only field left that you can shoot at 300 FPS is Canobie around here. Every where else is 280. Now if these things need to go 450 to match the performance of a .68 who is going to insure that field? I get its lighter but the increase in velocity will increase the energy released when it hits the target. So with that said how will it be better for new players? I won't be changing any time soon. Feyd................
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:47 PM #105
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What is the old adage?... "Follow the money"

It is like seeing the wizard behind the curtain. Everything is clear now. Richmond is circumventing a non-competition agreement and fueling it with hype. Smart, but sleazy.
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