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Old 10-13-2009, 05:13 PM #22
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Old 10-13-2009, 05:53 PM #23
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Damn fine post Carter. Thanks much.
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Old 10-13-2009, 06:03 PM #24
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There is no way they'll be able to increase the density of the paint enough to make it perform as well as .68 cal. The velocity increase is going to be the factor. The data chart shows that even at 450fps average the paint still has about the same energy behind it(impact force) as the .68 cal. That's all well and good, but getting insurance companies on board will be tough. Again, fields are going to take the hit. I see .50 cal merely moving paintball even further away from established fields than it is now and killing off the new influx of players even more.
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Old 10-13-2009, 07:41 PM #26
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.68 cal is the most commonly used caliber for a reason.

And those reasons are clearly showed in the graphs.

Even if you increase the mass of .50 round, you can only go so far.

The .68 caliber ball will almost always outperform the .50 caliber round, even if you increase the mass.
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well there you go 50 cal supporters
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.68 cal is the most commonly used caliber for a reason.

And those reasons are clearly showed in the graphs.

Even if you increase the mass of .50 round, you can only go so far.

The .68 caliber ball will almost always outperform the .50 caliber round, even if you increase the mass.
do you know why .68 was used?

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well there you go 50 cal supporters
well see what they do with the final crap
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do you know why .68 was used?
I do. Do you know why they stopped using .50?
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I do. Do you know why they stopped using .50?
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do you know for certain the new stuff will be the same as the old, because I cant get an answer, maybe you can....
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I tried to get an answer but my the supplier who was supposed to be one of the leaders in .50 doesn't have it in stock, doesn't know what grades will be available or when or what the price points are. The lack of any kind of info has me and my field staying .68.
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I tried to get an answer but my the supplier who was supposed to be one of the leaders in .50 doesn't have it in stock, doesn't know what grades will be available or when or what the price points are. The lack of any kind of info has me and my field staying .68.
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I got responses, but all they told me was how many grades of paint, not the important stuff like the remaining tidbit of info i need to know to be happy...

and that they are still finishing up...
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It's simple physics that a heavier projectile with go further than a lighter projectile assuming initial speed is the same.

Same goes for force on impact.

Just as the graphs show.
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It's simple physics that a heavier projectile with go further than a lighter projectile assuming the force imparted on the projectiles are the same.

Same goes for force on impact.

Just as the graphs show.
but the important variables for the final .50 are still unknown... the longer it goes before they tell us anything makes me more and more concerned that the answer is one i wont like, but until then, ill be happy using what hasnt failed me yet...
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Old 10-13-2009, 08:33 PM #35
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They have stated that the shell is significantly thinner than a 68 cal round, such that the breakability is the same roughly.

They probably need to get the weight up to 1.5 grams to make this thing work as they say. Dunno if it'll happen. Can't see it being easy.
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Old 10-13-2009, 08:51 PM #36
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Even if a dense enough solution is created for the .50 caliber balls to equal the performance for a .68, putting that exact solution in a .68 caliber would make it that much better and it would all start over again, trying to catch up to a .68.. I know there are a lot of variables there, but that's just my 2 cents
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My post from the "other forums". I posted a question regarding the data presented here to the GI MilSim facebook page and here is what they had to say:

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The paint is not finished yet.. Once the actual weight is accomplished, then we shall see. Also, another thing is that the 50 cal has a much thinner shell. It breaks on impact much more easily at distance then the 68.
I find this rather alarming. They are making claims based off a product that is incomplete. But I am keeping my hopes up.
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theres videos of of lasoya shooting this stuff across the entire field and breaking almost every time on a real person. i still dont understand why people hate hate hate this stuff when they've never seen it in action. It works, and its cheaper.
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theres videos of of lasoya shooting this stuff across the entire field and breaking almost every time on a real person. i still dont understand why people hate hate hate this stuff when they've never seen it in action. It works, and its cheaper.
Wow, what an ignorant statement. I assume that means you believe autocockers shoot straighter as well since you saw so with your own two eyes. Having such unequivocal faith in anecdotal evidence is a formula for disaster. I'll leave you to a picture to better illustrate my feelings on the subject:

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IF the ball mass was increased to 1.5g and the FPS was increased to 350f/s I believe we will see a satisfactory performance from the .50 cal close to that of the .68cal. Both variables are realistic and within reach.
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Old 10-13-2009, 10:06 PM #41
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IF the ball mass was increased to 1.5g and the FPS was increased to 350f/s I believe we will see a satisfactory performance from the .50 cal close to that of the .68cal. Both variables are realistic and within reach.
Hopefully... I love the potential in this
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it answers the question people have been asking concerning the Mm... people are asking why we cant just make .68 denser...
.68 hurts enough now. Lets not make it any denser.
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